An Iraqi army tank is pictured during a military operation toward the town of Hit, in west of Ramadi, March 8, 2016. Picture taken March 8, 2016. REUTERS/Stringer
Iraq is heading to a military escalation between the Fedral Government and the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG).
Iraqi forces have launched a military operation to retake Kirkuk province from Peshmerga, a military force of the KRG, according to AFP.
#BREAKING Iraq army launches operation to retake Kirkuk province – general says
— AFP news agency (@AFP) 13 October 2017
“Iraqi armed force are advancing to retake their military positions that were taken over during the events of June 2014,” the general reportedly told AFP by telephone, asking not to be identified.
However, the Iraqi Joint Operations Command denied the start of the operation:
The reports followed deployment of additional Peshmerga force to the disputed oil-rich areas and Kirkuk city.
On October 11, the Kurdistan Region Security Council said that Iraqi forces were preparing to launch an attack on areas controlled by the KRG north of Mosul and south of Kirkuk.
Arrival of Iraqi armoured troops to the village #Bashir south of #Kirkuk. pic.twitter.com/dD4nu1LP9y
— Blazing Fury (@FuryBlazing) 12 October 2017
?#Sondakika
Irak ordusu (Haçdi Şabi) birlikleri peşmergeye ait olan bir kontrol noktasına konuşlandılar
Peşmergeye ait bayrakları indirdiler pic.twitter.com/0PApye8Trm— Son Kale Türkiye?? (@SonKaleTurkiye2) 13 October 2017
On October 13, the Peshmerga General Command said that the Iraqi Army and the Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) have been preparing to attack areas outside the oil-rich city of Kirkuk since Thursday night with “foreign backing,” according to the KRG-run media outlet Rudaw.
The entity added that the situation shows “dangerous indications for war and aggression against Kurdistan.”
Last night Popular Mobilization Forces and number of Iraqi Forces were deployed to attack Peshmerga-held areas, particularly around Kirkuk.
— Peshmerga Command (@GCPFKurdistan) 13 October 2017
On October 12, Peshmerga forces reopened the Mosul-Duhok and Mosul- Erbil highways after closing them for hours on October 11, according to Kurdish sources. Peshmerga claimed that the highways were closed to prevent an attack of Iraqi government forces on the Kurdistan Region.
“There are two roads connecting the Kurdistan Region to Mosul, one from Erbil and the other from Duhok. Both have been closed. We are waiting orders from our superiors to open them again,” Arif Taefoor, commander of the Peshmerga told the Iraqi-Kurdish Rudaw news network.
Iraqi sources reported that the Peshmerga deployed more units in Kirkuk city, and north of Mosul city. From its side, the Iraqi security forces and the PMU also deployed more units north of Mosul city, and south of Kirkuk city, according to the sources.
The tensions between the Federal Government and the KRG will likely have a bad impact on the upcoming military operation against ISIS strongholds of al-Qa’im and Rawa in western Iraq.
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Such negative effect was highly expected by many sides, and this questions the real motives behind the KRG decision to hold the Kurdistan Region independence referendum before clearing Iraq from ISIS. More accurate, only months before the last crucial battle against ISIS in Iraq.
However, Iraqi military source told the UAE-based Arab Sky News TV channel that the government forces “are ready to launch the battle of liberation of al-Qa’im and are not interested in any other battle”. The stament confirms that the Iraqi Federal Government is committed mainly to fight ISIS, although of the Kurdish pressure.
Yay ! Iraqis killing Kurds [ Zionists ].
It’s time the NWO plan for a separate Kurdistan was trashed and then the US / NATO would have no viable reason to be in either Iraq or Syria and, hopefully, ISIS could be annihllated and peace restored to the region minus the meddling Proxy Armies of the NWO whose objective is perpetual war and chaos.
What gets my goat is that the Kurds had it all in Iraq already; they has an autonomous zone, their own government, vast wealth and so on and so on.
In Iraq I feel some sympathy with the Kurds as yet again they seem to have been used and abused AGAIN by the US. There are also so many varying differences within the kurds, that a 1 off Kurdistan in my view is impossible.
As for the timing of the referendum, that was shear madness.
You may find this interesting – https://journal-neo.org/2017/10/10/iraqi-kurdistan-referendum-over-what-next/
RTA your point is well taken and true. However, the British and French divided up the Middle East in 1917 and this came into effect as the “Sykes – Picot Agreement” in 1921 after WW2. Iraq is a Winston Churchill – Mark Sykes construct designed for purely Colonial reasons related to Naval Strategy based on oil. The US with its proxy armies has since been working closely with Israel to Balkanise the Middle East and politically and economically neuter it making it easy to destabilise and control. This is all under the jusridiction of the International Zionist Bankers whose key clan is the Rothschild’s family based primarily out of London (Jacob Rothschild) , Paris (Evelyn de Rothschild), Frankfurt, Vienna and Milan. Following the rise of the Rockefeller family (EXXON – Mobil & Chase Manhattan Bank) the Rothschild’s amalgamated their interests with the Rockefellers to control the USA through their lieutenants Paul Warburg and John Pierpont Morgan. Other key Rothschilds agents who subverted the USA to create their owned and controlled Central Bank (the Fed) were Colonel House and Nelson Aldrich. This is the serpent that devours the US economy and has destroyed its culture.
The USA dances entirely to the Rothschild’s and Rockefeller playbook via the Fed and complete control of the US Political System and Media. The US has built a massive military with but one objective – and it’s not defence! It’s Global Hegemony and “the hammer” to beat all those countries who won’t play along and try to leave the US$ monetary control system (“the Anvil”): eg, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, and so on.
The Kurds are the latest tool of the Globalists now that their ISIS & related Proxies are being wiped out by the SAA, RuAF, Iran and Hezbollah. This is why it’s very confusing to try and follow US policy in the ME as they reconfigure their strategy to meet each new reverse or counter threats like a chameleon. The Russians understand this game totally and know the US is utterly controlled by the Zionist International Banking Cabal which is immensely wealthy (US$ 250 – 500 trillion) totally corrupt and completely ruthless and heartless.
I agree with almost all of it, but thank you for responding so eloquently.
I know all evidence is against me when I say this, but I read a paper once (away from the cackle of all the popular beliefs) stating hat, they were Jews that were against he Zionists, they were Zionists and there were Jewish businessmen and money men – the Rothschild’s clan fits into the latter.
I also believe or maybe hope, that the European Monarchy and elitists are running the show.
This is my view only, but the World would be a boring place if we all had the same thoughts and beliefs ….. oh which is what they want to do with us !!!.
Have a good weekend.
You are quite right, it’s a mix.
It seems that the “Shia crescent” doesn’t care about freedom and national self-determination.
That’s not a very serious comment on your part Serious. The US and Israel are continually fanning the flames of war in the Middle East for their own geo political gains as you well know.
Chaos is the Western Strategy in the Middle East, no matter how many citizens there die. The evidence is all around you.
The civil war in Syria is a proxy fight between Iran and Saudi Arabia. No Israel involved.
Israel is very much involved. Iran is in Syria because the Syrian government asked for help.
I know. But Israel is still not involved.
Israel helps terror groups in Syria. Unless you think that Israel itself also lies.
I present to you: Your friend Moshe Ya’alon and The Times of Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-syrian-rebels-keeping-druze-safe-in-exchange-for-israeli-aid/
In your face! :)
And? Israel makes strategic moves. Israel wants the Sunni militants and the Shia militants to kill each other. And you fall into that trap. Israel has been a great boogeyman for extremists of every shade. Now Kurdistan is the next boogeyman! What’s next? Assyrians? Armenians? Turkmens?Lebanese? What’s the next boogeyman of extremists? (if you answer to that question you recognize Shia militants as extremists, even if they are not)
So the innocent little Israel is involved with terrorists after all!
Repeat after me: Israel helps terror groups in Syria.
Your homework will be writing that sentence 100 times until it sinks.
No, No, No! Actually the major terror groups like ISIS and Al-Qaida are very friendly towards Israel and try their best not to hurt it’s very fragile feelings, as also quoted from Moshe Ya’alon.
You are becoming a master in fallacy, you know that?
Al Qaeda and ISIS wants to kill all Jews. They are not friendly to Israel. On the contrary, Al Qaeda congratulated Hezbollah on their war against Israel. I have sent you a website in the past but you are not going to admit it. Please let me the next boogeyman. Can I bet? It is gonna be those Lebanese Maronites.
It’s absolutely false. Never announced it and never did anything to show they want to kill the Jews. Not a single ONE.
On the other hand, they announced their intention to kill all Shi’as and Christians and the Sunnis who don’t submit to their Kalifate. They also killed countless of them. The same for Alawites and Assyrians. All documented. Israel helps these terrorists, arms them, funds them, supports them, train them, cure them.
You sent me an article which repeats what you say, but never shows it’s proof. On the other hand, I give you the evidence needed to back me directly from Israelis and Zionists, not repeated accusations.
Go and search. They all hate Israel. Ayman al-Zawahiri supported Hezbollah in that war. Israel has just cured some FSA militants, they even help their enemies. Tell me about the next boogeyman.
Yet again you claim something and ask me to search for it’s proof. It’s most enlightening.
We have no boogeyman to scare our population, like big bad Mullahs and Assad killing Syrians and the scary as hell “The Shi’a Crescent” and “Russian Aggression”.
Where have I talked about Russian aggression? Russia doesn’t want Hezbollah. On the other hand, Kurdistan is a nice boogeyman.
Then perhaps you don’t know what boogeyman means.
Here’s the definition: An imaginary evil character supposed to carry off naughty children. It’s something imaginary you scare people with. Hence the “Russian Aggression”, which is used to scare people and justify the increase the military budget and military build up in Europe.
Iraqi Kurds aren’t scary. We used to give them shelter when they needed it the most and still help them, as a part of Iraq. Here is the proof from the KRG PM, on a Kurdish website: http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/a735cf3c-b765-4067-a0d4-7a9de2786811/%E2%80%98Kurdistan-thanks-Iran-for-help-against-IS%E2%80%99 Another one from Masoud Barzani: https://news.vice.com/article/iran-was-first-to-supply-iraqs-kurds-with-weapons-to-battle-the-islamic-state
How are we supposed to be scared of them?
Don’t you think Russia is able to express it’s stance regarding Hezbollah by itself? Where did they say they don’t want Hezbollah?
Russia and the Shia crescent are not the same things. Russia, I believe, is the hope of Europe because the Anglo-Saxon/Germanic world becomes marxist and degenerate, the Latin world is very meek so it is the next choice.
It is nice that Iran helped Kurds but now what’s the problem?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/17/russia-pressures-bashar-assad-to-cut-syrias-hezbol/
They are both used as boogeyman to scare people.
It’s not a problem. You said “On the other hand, Kurdistan is a nice boogeyman”, The statement was meant to show you they aren’t, as we helped them many times and will do as a part of Iraq.
Cute article (of coarse not from Russia, Hezbollah or Syria but the opposite side) but as we witness today, it’s false. What is claimed in the article didn’t happen, did it?
If PMU attacks Peshmerga they will lose. Russia is feared by liberals because Russia is a stop to their degenerate views. It didn’t happen because they have a common enemy. Having a common enemy doesn’t mean that you are friends. After all, Russia supports Turkey against HTS.
That remains to bee seen.
The article is false and the claim is false. So far ALL the signs suggest the opposite. It’s more like a wishful thinking than the truth.
Russia does it’s best to eradicate HTS and it’s relation with Turkey is good. You point?
Everything that doesn’t agree with you is false, right? My point is that common enemies doesn’t mean common friends.
Nice conclusion. But for me the things that don’t agree with reality and truth are false. Do you see Russians and Hezbollah clashing? Do you see Hezbollah “kicked” out of Syria? Do you see any claims of that article realized? Even ONE is enough for me to say it tells the truth.
One question. Do you live in Iran or are you in the Iranian diaspora?
In live in Tehran, but because of my business I travel around.
What business are you doing?
A little this and a little that.
I’m going to go now. Feel free to spread you claims and your love of Bibi while I’m away to take it personal. :)
I’ll be BACK!
Hahaha
So they are Israels next target? Thanks for the heads up.
There is only one real extremist group in the ME. They create and support all the others. They are easy to spot…as they are never attacked by these so-called extremists…which is pretty strange for Islamic extremists that supposedly hate Israel…oops, spilled the beans.
“…Israel is still not involved.”
Let’s see now: Israel bombing Syrian troops and military bases who are in battle with ISIS. Israel providing medical attention in it’s hospitals to ISIS terrorists. Israel the only state? supporting the breakup of Iraq using Kurds. Israel and it’s moneyed interests in the US promoting the tearing up of the nuclear agreement with Iran, which took 9 years and the world community to achieve and which everyone agrees that Iran is in full compliance; well US president Netanyahu and his Foreign minister Trump, disagree with it anyway.
You mean that Israel!
Copy paste?
Israel is always involved buddy..
The “Shia Cresent” , is fighting not a civil war , but a war backed by America against Syria . For the last six years the US and Israel have used their proxy army of Wahhabi jihadists in an effort to fracture Syria . Those jihadists are in their last days as a centralized military force . So now the plan B , the Kurds become their new proxy army . That plan entails fracturing four nations , Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey , how many people do you think will die in their attempt to create this “New Nation” .
So you support the Sykes-Picot borders?
Boy, the trolls are out today. Notice all the new posters with recent accounts and/or few comments. Something wicked this way comes. They have their orders to lie, obfuscate and try to piss people off. I’ve counted at least 6 since the day before the Vegas shooting. They’re easy to spot though…they just spew ridiculous crap like, Israel isn’t involved, Kurds are being picked on, PMUs are Iranian and out of control, the US is fighting ISIS, SDF is attacking ISIS, Al Qaeda supports Hezbollah, they all hate Israel(even though they have NEVER attacked Israel)…you get the point. If you read between the lines, you can almost see Bibis face…they sound just like the Zionist crap that comes from Israel. There is no sense in arguing with them, they are trying to steer the discussion and create misconceptions. Even the Kurds are putting out BS statements, like ‘Iraq is on the verge of attacking us and the PMUs are following orders from outside players. Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black? Does it not sound like the crap that Israel spews when it lies? Coincidence? Not likely.
“The “Shia Cresent” , is fighting not a civil war , but a war backed by America against Syria” AFTER THE SAME WAS DONE TO IRAQ.
you are trying to push your disinformation over and over again, even after been proven wrong :D
“The evidence is all around you.”
If one actually desires to seek it out. Only 2 things keep one from knowing these truths, 1) ignorance and/or 2) support for all the death and destruction whose goal is resources,land and power grabs.
It’s the only part they care about. A region free ot outside meddling and it’s nations able to self-determine their own future. So far they were great help in eradicating the Zionism+Wahhabi proxy forces.
Muahaha! Shi’as are coming to get you!
Then why do they want to attack Iraqi Kurds?
So you know what they think? Do you have a crystal ball? Because there’s no talk and sign of attacking anyone other than ISIS. Iraqi government denied the accusation several times, but you “choose” to ignore it. Even IF they decide to take Kirkuk by force (I said IF), the move will be entirely legal. Kirkuk is outside the boundary of KRG, based on both Iraqi constitution and KRG internal law In this instance the aggression is done by Peshmerge. Closing the highways based on assumption, while the Iraqi army and PMU are fighting ISIS near that area. A very noble gesture to to undermine efforts in defeat of ISIS, no doubt.
The article says that they are going to attack, not me. I believe they will not because they will lose. Kirkuk is both Turkmen and Kurdish so it is difficult. The so called Iraqi state is a fake based on the lines drawn by the British. They are not real ethnic lines.
So is your own country. Every country’s border is artificial, unless the country consists of a single island. Ethnic lines don’t determine a country’s border, how Zionist of you to think it does. US’s entire southern border goes in the middle of Hispanic ethnic line, France’s eastern border with Germany is like that but with different ethnicities and what can I say about the Switzerland? A country with not 1, not 2, but FIVE official languages? Do you call Swiss “so-called Swiss” too? Iraqi state is real, is a UN member and recognized by all countries in the world.
The article “quotes” what Peshmerge said, and you immediately accused the Shi’as to be against freedom and self-determination of nations, based on a piss-poor whining out of Peshmerga, which also don’t have anything to back their claim (sounds familiar, I can’t recall where I saw that before ;)
Hellenic civilization has impact not only inside Greece but on the whole world. A country should be on ethnic lines. Artificial borders mean nothing to me. Switzerland is a made up state to accomodate the banks. Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, Moldavia, Montenegro, Gibraltar, Andorra, Monaco are also made up states.
But it’s today borders are artificial nevertheless, otherwise it would contain the European part of Turkey, Albania and most importantly, the Republic of Macedonia. Why don’t you let them have their own little country? Complete with the Alexander the Great airport and Vergina Sun and everything? The border between Greece and Macedonia goes right between the ethnic line. How about the creation of a brand new country?
It’s a good thing the world leaders and most of earth’s population don’t think like you. We would have endless wars in all corners of the world, if the borders meant nothing. Are you an Anarchist as well as a Zionist?
Macedonians were Greeks and not Slavs. How do you know that most of the earth’s population don’t think like this? Have you asked them? Or maybe is it good to make sensationalist claims? No, I am not an anarchist but I am right-libertarian. And I am pro-Zionist not Zionist because I am not a Jew.
Because there would be riots and wars and land grab everywhere. At least I know the world leaders don’t think like that, does that count?
So, a pro Zionist and never heard of Christian Zionists.
Riots and war exists because of failed borders. I have nothing to do with the so called “Christian Zionists”.
Up until now a lot of wars had different reasons. For example, take a look at the US’s wars since 19th century and Ottoman’s wars. Greed and expansionism can be a better and more accurate reason.
Sykes-Picot borders are what Exists . While not to everyone’s satisfaction , changing them would create years of war in those nations involved . I have met the Kurds , and love them , but they lose my support if they think they are so important that millions should die for them to become a nation . Israel is a nation created by the UN after the War . I do not like the Zionists that created it or its borders . The wars against Lebanon and Syria are those Zionists trying to expand Israel . This madness must stop , they need to return the Golan Heights to Syria , and make peace . If they respect the borders of others , they stand a chance of survival .
Zionism has existed long before the UN. And there is no war against Lebanon. Lebanese always hated sectarians and Gemayel was killed by a SSNP member.
Lebanese also hate invaders from the south, which attacked several times and still occupy parts of Lebanon. Nobody likes invaders, occupiers and bullies.
Lebanon has been invaded by the Greeks, Turks, Arabs and French in the past. Should they wage war against them?
No. They don’t wage wars against anybody, even Israel. They just defend their country whenever it’s attacked. If it’s not attacked, then they won’t respond. It has been like that.
What do you think about Gemayel’s murder by the SSNP (Assad allies and aggressive nationalists with communist and nazist sympathies)?
I assume you mean Bachir, not Pierre, by the bomb planted by Shartouni, a Maroni Christian. I’m against assassination, regardless of the side. Shartouni’s action brought a lot of pain. Phalangists attacked Sabra and Shatila camps along Israel and murdered hundreds of unarmed people to avenge his assassination, as if these people in camp did it and despite Shartouni’s arrest.
Oh that’s sad.
Yes it is. They massacred the defenceless for three days. This incident was one of the reasons for creation of Hezbollah, so such things never happen again.
So Hezbollah are Palestinians?
So what does makes israil not a made up state ?
Its homogeneity.
yes especially towards palestina
Homogeneity my arse. In addition to what you said, not only towards Palestinians which is very sever and sometimes unbelievable but Ashkenazi Jews even discriminate against the “oriental Jews” (which are about %63 of all Jews in Israel). Israel government calls them “Edot Hamizrah”, mening Oriental bands.
Well, how many of the Israelis are actually jewish nowdays, as i can tell most of them got nothing to do with the original jews but are how some of my friends call them, imposters.
What is your real definition of “Jew”?
I don’t know, maybe those that are original jews from egypt and not those that have taken over their religion ot pretend to be jewish.
Jews are members of the tribe of Judah. The tribe of Judah was probably dispersed in Eastern Europe, in my opinion, and then they came back.
Iraq need to finish off what Sadam started, pity that it got to this stage. US meddling, better off confronting the US in Iraq and get rid of the problem.
So the slaughter of civilians is OK with you? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b655b01cc689987da57a80259f7849b8c9f91635949ad194d8b949d23e77d3b9.jpg
US says it is OK then it must be OK with you also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8 here you go noob
A 23 second video clip from 1996. And the few words taken out of context from the interview. VERY LAME, I was expecting some substance to this “story” :(
It should be remembered that there are two different forces here, the Iraqi Army and the PMU. In my opinion, the Iraqi army will not attack, but the PMU, some of which receives instructions from Iran, is liable to attack. Then there will be no way back and there will be no Iraq as we know it.
This also should be remembered that almost all of current Kurdish leaders used to live in Iran which generously gave them shelter and homes. Not to forget what late Jalal Tlebani used to say about Iran, ‘the most friendly country towards Kurds’ and ‘we won’t abandon Iran even if all the world say so because they never let us down’.
The claim of PMU attacking KRG on behalf of Iran is also rich. Iran sent support to PMU, but also sent help to the Kurds when ISIS reached Erbil and Kurds asked for help. Back then, US turned them down but Iran helped.
Now you talk like Iran is very hostile towards Iraqi Kurds, forgetting all the things this nation did for them. Iran would never do anything which results in break up of it’s neighbours. At the same time, it will do it’s best to prevent the ones who aim to do it.
1. Iran helped the Kurds in Iraq when it suited its interests. 2. Iran is very concerned about the separation of the Iranian Kurds. 3. Iran’s modus operandi, outside its borders, is proxy war. There is no reason why this shouldn’t happen here.
1- Correct, like any other country, except for the US helping Israel (against it’s own national interests) 2- Correct, and not just limited to some of Iranian Kurds, but other areas as well. Most of Iranian Kurds identify themselves as Iranian. 3- For this one I’m going to need examples and proof. In Syria and Iraq, Iran is helping the official and legitimate government. Is there anywhere where Iran arms it’s proxies on it’s own, against the will of local government?
Iran is fighting its enemy with proxy wars. Except for advisers, Iran does not endanger its people. Very wisely. In Iraq, Iran provided arms, funding, advisory. In Lebanon – funding, training, weapons. In Yemen – weapons, advisory. In Gaza – Financing, Weapons, advisory. In Syria, in addition to everything I mentioned above, Shiite fighters from different countries. I did not mention Bahrain, despite the claims of its legal government. Because no proof was presented and arms shipments were not seized, as in the case of Yemen. In some places it is coordinated with the legitimate government (Syria, Iraq). In Yemen it is not coordinated with the legal government. In Lebanon, only recently, the administration is talking about the legality of Hezbollah’s weapons. In Gaza – Who is the legal government? Hams? The Palestinian Authority? It’s Hypocrisy to ask for proof. It’s crystal clear.
– In the Iraq, Syria Iran’s presence is based on invitation by the their respective governments. – In Lebanon, by Hezbollah, a party and a member in Lebanese government. – For Gaza, used to send help to the Hamas, elected body officially governing this piece of land (along many other countries, hardly unique to Iran). Iran stopped helping Hamas after Hamas backed the Syrian regime change. – And finally in Yemen, Iran is neither present nor sends arms. There has never been a confiscated of arms from Iran. The closest thing to your claim was a Launch boat carrying about 1000 used and old AK-47s and a few RPGs, sailing for Somalia. None of the crew nor the boat was Iranian, and the crew confessed they were shipping them for Somalian pirates. No evidence to connect it to any country, including Iran.
Perhaps the meaning of proxy is not clear for you. An example may help: – The US, Saudis and Israel supports PJAK, and Jondollah, terror groups conducting assassination in Iran, therefore conducting proxy war against Iranians. – The US supporting FSA and SDF, snatching land from Syrian government, therefore conducting proxy war against Syrians. – In Afghanistan, US supports various terror groups and conducting proxy (as well as direct) war against Afghanis. – In Philippines, the US and Saudi backed ISIS wrecks havoc as their proxy. – In Myanmar, Saudi and US backed various groups conduct terror against both farmers and Myanmar government.
Of coarse I’m the one who is the hypocrite here. I’d like to see your “crystal clear” proof regarding sending arms by Iran to Yemen. Should be no problem for you.
If Iran’s enemies are doing terrible things, does that mean that Iran should do too ? But for the sake of argument I will answer your claims: 1. I don’t know where you get your information about Afghanistan, Myanmar and the Philippines. But to me it sounds ridiculous. 2. About PJAK and Jondollah, What proof do you have? Except for televised confessions taken by force. Although there is logic to the claim that Iran’s enemies are trying to harm her by helping Groups that fight Iran. 3. As for FSA and SDF you are right. But there is a difference. SDF only fights ISIS, which is a good thing. On the other hand, I don’t understand why the USA supports the FSA. 4. I did not write that Iran invented the proxy war. I wrote that this is Iran’s way of fighting its enemies. And there is no reason why it won’t implement it against the Kurds in Iraq and later in Syria.
No, and Iran doesn’t so. It’s only natural that your perception of Iran is negative, after 40 years of continuous bombardment by propaganda against this country. Thank you for the answers, need I remind you that these are your claims in the first place which I told you aren’t true?
1- If you need evidence of US and Saudi involvement is arming terror groups of Afghanistan, Myanmar and Philippines I’ll post a few for you in a separate reply.
2- If meeting of US intelligence agencies with these groups aren’t enough for you, there has been arrests and confessions, which I’m sure will be dismissed as torture singing. PJAK is considered a terror group by the US, how is it possible for it’s leader to travel to Washington and discuss regime topple with the Americans? While Iranian Kurdish parties condemn PJAK’s actions. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/aug/4/kurdish-leader-seeks-us-help-to-topple-regime/ Mossad’s involvement with Jondollah: http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/01/13/false-flag/ Check the articles sources. CIA funding Jondollah, also check the article’s sources: https://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/us-training-jundullah-in-iran-article-from-8th-july-2008/
3- Seems we agree on this one, but as long as SDF tries to prevent the Syrian government apply it’s authority on the Syrian soil, it acts like a proxy for the US. US’s aim is to topple Syrian government by all means, hence their aid to SDF, FSA and ISIS.
4- No you didn’t, but accused Iran of something which is done by other countries AGAINST Iran, the most vicious of them all being MEK which has regular meetings with American officials and senators.
Iran’s involvement in other countries (limited number) is official and by request of those countries. When you help a government to fight terror groups, it hardly can be described as waging a proxy war. The closest solution to call it a proxy war is to accept those terror groups are in fact proxies of the US, Israel and KSA and by helping the legitimate government, Iran in fact is fighting the US and co by proxy, a war which started by them, not Iran nor the governments of Syria and Iraq. On the other hand, funding, arming and supporting terror groups to topple governments and terrorize the population is the definition of proxy war: Your proxies doing your dirty work for you.
Your another assumption is that Iran sees the Kurds as it’s enemies. Hardly. There are Kurdish (and Baluchi) terror groups who conduct terror acts against Iranians, their numbers are small and their actions also condemned by the large number if Iranian Kurds and Baluchs (Shi’a and Sunni). Iran doesn’t count all Kurds or Baluchs as the enemy based on the actions of these groups. Even a few days ago General Soleymani went to KRG to pay respect to the late Jalal Talebani (Zarif did it too). Is it customary in your country to do this to your enemies?
Strange, my replies get deleted as spams. Luckily, I started to archive them. Here you go: Separated by alphabet to reduce the risk of deletion:
A. No, and Iran doesn’t so. It’s only natural that your perception of Iran is negative, after 40 years of continuous bombardment by propaganda against this country. Thank you for the answers, need I remind you that these are your claims in the first place which I told you aren’t true?
1- If you need evidence of US and Saudi involvement is arming terror groups of Afghanistan, Myanmar and Philippines I’ll post a few for you in a separate reply.
2- If meeting of US intelligence agencies with these groups aren’t enough for you, there has been arrests and confessions, which I’m sure will be dismissed as torture singing. PJAK is considered a terror group by the US, how is it possible for it’s leader to travel to Washington and discuss regime topple with the Americans? While Iranian Kurdish parties condemn PJAK’s actions. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/aug/4/kurdish-leader-seeks-us-help-to-topple-regime/ Mossad’s involvement with Jondollah: http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/01/13/false-flag/ Check the articles sources. CIA funding Jondollah, also check the article’s sources: https://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/us-training-jundullah-in-iran-article-from-8th-july-2008/
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3- Seems we agree on this one, but as long as SDF tries to prevent the Syrian government apply it’s authority on the Syrian soil, it acts like a proxy for the US. US’s aim is to topple Syrian government by all means, hence their aid to SDF, FSA and ISIS.
4- No you didn’t, but accused Iran of something which is done by other countries AGAINST Iran, the most vicious of them all being MEK which has regular meetings with American officials and senators.
Iran’s involvement in other countries (limited number) is official and by request of those countries. When you help a government to fight terror groups, it hardly can be described as waging a proxy war. The closest solution to call it a proxy war is to accept those terror groups are in fact proxies of the US, Israel and KSA and by helping the legitimate government, Iran in fact is fighting the US and co by proxy, a war which started by them, not Iran nor the governments of Syria and Iraq. On the other hand, funding, arming and supporting terror groups to topple governments and terrorize the population is the definition of proxy war: Your proxies doing your dirty work for you.
Your another assumption is that Iran sees the Kurds as it’s enemies. Hardly. There are Kurdish (and Baluchi) terror groups who conduct terror acts against Iranians, their numbers are small and their actions also condemned by the large number if Iranian Kurds and Baluchs (Shi’a and Sunni). Iran doesn’t count all Kurds or Baluchs as the enemy based on the actions of these groups.
Even a few days ago General Soleymani went to KRG to pay respect to the late Jalal Talebani (Zarif did it too). Is it customary in your country to do this to your enemies?
I’ll check these comments tomorrow to see if they’re removed or not. If removed, I’ll break them some more and try again.
A report I have just read about Kirkuk: “Qasem Soleimani is leading the PMU fighters”. What did you write about Iran’s proxy wars And how much Iran love the Kurds?
Let us read the said report too.
You have no clue what you are talking about in regards to the PMU , the Peshmerga wihdrew as was agreed, only Barzani and his clan have readied , the others have told their forces to allow Iraqi forces to take over the positions. There is a power struggle ongoing and Barzani is trying to make a power play. The other parties have broken the alliance with the Barzani led party and clan.
“The other parties have broken the alliance with the Barzani led party and clan.”
I sure hope you’re right. I’ve read of the opposition to Barzani, but I’ve also read of them working together to grab oil and territory. It seems that there’s already a skirmish between the Peshmegra and PMU units.
The Barzani clan was paying for a 4000 Sunni Arab militia full salaries and wasn’t paying anyone else. The parties split some time ago and the teachers and everybody were ready to go on strike, but blame Abadi for throwing the life line to pay the salaries of all the KRG govt workers.
Rudaw and Kurdistan 24 is like CNN and MSNBC they both like to agitate and egg people on, and so far they are the only ones in Kirkuk stirring up nonsense. Jemaan Moussa is another one of those art student type of reporters, she is in right thick with these Radical terrorists PKK/PJKP,she is blinded by idealism.
Most of the shooting going on is in Tuz allegedly between the PMU Turkmen and Peshmerga.
Bafel Talabani, Mam Jalals Son made a statement yesterday even Ranj Talabany was asking Barzani to be reasonable Gorran and PUK are both against the current minority KDP.
There seems to be a lot of volunteers no one there in Kirkuk has a clue but just shooting going on there by idiot Kurds.
Informative. I can understand why Abadi payed the salaries after KRG had been pocketing the oil money. He probably was trying to drum up support for remaining as part of Iraq rather than relying on the corruption represented by Barzani.
“Rudaw and Kurdistan 24 is like CNN and MSNBC…”
Gee, I wonder which other countries are involved beside Israel… ummmm that’s a tough one, would it be the US? saying one thing publicly while doing some covert work for it’s ‘best’ buddy. Of course one can’t dismiss other states who support Israel, in destroying the Middle East such as the Saudis; human rights champions all.