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Almost half of all active military troops in the US army believe that the US will be part of a large-scale war soon, according to a Military Times poll of the active-duty troops. According to the poll, troops are anxious about global instability in general and about Russia and China in particular.
Close to 46% of the questioned active troops believe that the US will be draw into a large-scale war soon. This number has increased from 5% in September 2017’s survey.
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Still, more people think that it is unlikely that there will be war at 50%, however in 2017 that number was 67%. Only 4% of people responded with “I don’t know,” in comparison to that share being 28% in 2017.
These fears are mostly due to media hysteria as well as US President Donald Trump and his administration repeatedly emphasizing the importance of improving military readiness against “a growing threat from foreign adversaries, both terrorist groups and traditional major power rivals.”
When they were asked about specific countries, unsurprisingly the top answers were China and Russia. The two countries were the top answers in 2017 as well. However, 71% said Russia is a significant threat, compared to 53% in 2017. For China there was a similar movement, 69% in 2018 and 45% in 2017.
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Military Times cited Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Robert Neller, who in 2017 told Marines that he thought there was a “big-ass fight” on the horizon. “I hope I’m wrong, but there’s a war coming,” Neller told Marines in Norway.
Troops also appeared to worry the most about cyber terrorism. Nearly 89% answered that it is the biggest threat the US is facing currently. It was ranked as a higher threat than Russia and China, as well as domestic and non-domestic Islamic terrorists.
Surprisingly, Iran is way down on the threat list, despite US claims that it is the biggest funder of terrorism globally. North Korea is marginally “scarier” than the Islamic Republic.
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It is highly likely that the reason behind cyber terrorism’s first place is that in the past several weeks the mainstream media narrative, as well as a lot of rhetoric from officials from the US, the Netherlands and the UK have been focused towards the presumed threat of cyber attacks and espionage from Russia and China.
Iraq and Afghanistan are viewed as less of a threat in 2018, compared to 2017. There has been a steady decrease in the assessment of threat from these two countries. It could be due to troops still being in the countries. It could be due to Iraq having announced the defeat of ISIS in late 2017 and Donald Trump’s previous calls that the US is “winning” against the Taliban.
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The Military Times cited one of its respondents, a recruiter claimed that Donald Trump’s handling of the North Korea nuclear weapons issue was risky, however he approved his president going “toe-to-toe” in negotiations. “It was kind of scary, but he had the guts to go over there and stand up for what a lot of Americans are believing in,” the unnamed recruiter said.
Another respondent, a female Army sergeant first class said that it had “never been this bad” due to there being too many adversaries due to Trump’s way of doing business. She is anxious of a “constant conflict” occurring soon, of endless deployments and fighting. “With the way we’re growing our force, I tell my soldiers the reason we are growing the force is because we need you, and we’re going to fight,” she was cited by the Military Times.
Troops were generally supportive of US Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, who is a former Marine Corps General. They claimed that he would stop some of Trump’s riskier impulses.
In total, 829 respondents were interviewed. The survey audience was 89 percent male and 11 percent female and had an average age of about 31 years old.
In general, this is a worrisome result, as propaganda aimed at the military personnel to keep them battle ready and cause a sort of anxiousness that a conflict is coming is not an uncommon tool. It is used precisely before leaders plan to initiate such a conflict so that the troops are prepared for a large-scale war.
Hopefully, as one of the respondents, Chief Warrant Officer 2 Jay Thompson, an Army helicopter pilot at Fort Drum, New York, said “no one is seeking the peer-on-peer war,” regarding his belief that China, the US and Russia do not wish war.
LOL- USA is behind ALL WARS – of course they are frighten (of their own shadow)
It is about time to start a big war on US soil. Basically – it is all about fake money, banks, evil-wicked elites and mass murdering innocent people to get more power. And the histroy repeats itself. Just look at it.
WW1 – caused by MIC, Rothschilds and Banks 1914 -1918 , industry destructed in Europe, reserve currency – GBP – weakened 1919 GB abandoned golden standard, USD became world reserve currency 1930 – global recession , Hitler raised in Germany backed by corporations (aka Jews and namely Rothschilds) 1933 – US abandoned golden standard WW2 – caused by MIC, Rotschilds and Banks – again 1939-1945, industry destructed in Europe, 20 millions died in Russia 1947 Cold War started 1948 – Israel founded, Marshall plan, US industry boom, 1950 – Korean War .. after which series of uninterrupted preemptive wars and regime changes outside of US took place, the last ones are present in Syria, Ukraine, Yemen and new one is staring in Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_fought_by_the_United_States 1963 JFK assasinated by Deep State 1963-75 Vietnam War – decisive US defeat, since 1971 free US journalism was targeted and was utterly destroyed by Clintons Telecommunications Act in 1996 1968 – gold market completely rigged and destroyed by Johnsson’s eliminating the “gold cover” … 2008 last global economy depression – country origin – USA … 2018 US Banks “too big to fail” unable to control markets any more. -global economy recession or WW3 is inevitable. -Rothschilds&Co are preparing global war with Russia -Club of Rome and Bildeberg: 6 billions people should die according to “depopulation” plans
As you can see, it is all the same over and over again. The same people, the same purposes and the same methods. The only way how to stop it is strike them anywhere they move. Now it is the USA and Israel. Tomorrow it could be China. Day after tomorrow – well, who knows.
What they want is destroying infrastructure, kill people and control markets. Forever. With impunity. Unnoticed.
AMERICAN WARS SINCE 1775:
American Revolutionary War (1775–1783)
Cherokee-American Wars (1776–1795)
North-West Indian Wars (1785–1793)
Shays’ Rebellion (1786–1787)
Whiskey Rebellion (1791–1794)
Quasi War (1798–1800)
First Barbary War (1801–1805)
German Coast Uprising (1811)
Tecumseh’s War (1811)
War of 1812 (1812–1815)
Creek War (1813–1814)
Second Barbary War (1815)
First Seminloe War (1817–1818)
Texas-Indian Wars (1820–1875)
Arikara War (1823)
Aegean Sea Anti-Piracy Operations of the United States (1825-1828)
Winnebago War (1827)
First Sumatran Expedition (1832)
Black Hawk War (1832)
Second Seminole War (1835–1842)
Second Sumatran Expedition (1838)
Aroostook War (1838)
Ivory Coast Expedition (1842)
Mexican-American War (1846–1848)
Cayuse War (1847–1855)
Apache Wars (1851–1900)
Puget Sound War (1855–1856)
First Fiji Expedition (1855)
Rogue River Wars (1855–1856)
Third Seminole War (1855–1858)
Yakima War (1855–1858)
Second Opium War (1856–1859)
Utah War (1857–1858)
Navajo Wars (1858–1866)
Second Fiji Expedition (1859)
John Brown’s raid on Harper’s Ferry (1859)
First & Second Cortina War (1859–1861)
Paiute War (1860)
American Civil War (1861–1865)
Yavapai Wars (1861–1875)
Dakota War of 1862 (1862)
Colorado War (1863–1865)
Shimonoseki War (1863–1864)
Snake War (1864–1868)
Powder River War (1865)
Red Cloud’s War (1866–1868)
Formosa Expedition (1867)
Comanche Campaign (1867–1875)
United States Expedition to Korea (1871)
Modoc War (1872–1873)
Red River War (1874–1875)
Las Cuevas War (1875)
Great Sioux War of 1876 (1876–1877)
Buffalo Hunter’s War (1876–1877)
Nez Perce War (1877)
Bannock War (1878)
Cheyenne War (1878–1879)
Sheepeater Indian War (1879)
Victorio’s War (1879–1881)
White River War (1879–1880)
Pine Ridge Campaign (1890-1891)
Garza Revolution (1891–1893)
Yaqui Wars (1896–1918)
Second Samoan War (1898–1899)
Spanish-American War (1898)
Philippine-American War (1899–1902)
Moro Rebellion (1899–1913)
Boxer Rebellion (1899–1901)
Crazy Snake Rebellion (1909)
Border War (1910–1919)
Negro Rebellion (1912)
Occupation of Nicaragua (1912–1933)
Bluff War (1914–1915)
Occupation of Veracruz (1914)
Occupation of Haiti (1915–1934)
Occupation of the Dominican Republic (1916–1924)
World War I (1914–1918)
Russian Civil War (1918–1920)
Last Indian Uprising (1923)
World War II (1939–1945)
Korean War (1950–1953)
Laotian Civil War (1953–1975)
Lebanon Crisis (1958)
Bay of Pigs Invasion (1961)
Vietnam War (1965–1973, 1975)
Communist insurgency in Thailand (1965-1983)
Korean DMZ Conflict (1966–1969)
Dominican Civil War (1965–1966)
Insurgency in Bolivia (1966–1967)
Cambodian Civil War (1967–1975)
War in South Zaire (1978)
Operation Eagle Claw (1980)
Gulf of Sidra Encounter (1981)
Lebanese Civil War (1982–1984)
Invasion of Grenada (1983)
Action in the Gulf of Sidra (1986)
Bombing of Libya (1986)
Tanker War (1987–1988)
Tobruk Encounter (1989)
Invasion of Panama (1989–1990)
Gulf War (1990–1991)
Iraqi No-Fly Zone Enforcement (1991–2003)
First Intervention in the Somali Civil War (1992–1995)
Bosnian War (1992–1995)
Intervention in Haiti (1994–1995)
Kosovo War (1998–1999)
Operation Infinite Reach (1998)
War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
Iraq War (2003–2011)
War in North-West Pakistan (2004–present)
War in Somalia (2007–present)
Operation Ocean Shield (2009–2016)
American-Led intervention in Libya (2011)
Lord’s Resistance Army insurgency (2011-2017)
American-Led intervention in Iraq (2014–2017)
American-Led intervention in Syria (2014–present)
Yemeni Civil War (2015–present)
American intervention in Libya (2015–present)
As usual Yo dont take in Ottomans as well as Russians.
Ofcourse not…and Turkey & Russia are doing a Very Good job at the moment…. Bringing Down the Great Western Empire….a bare necessity…
Excellent post and all true! Jens is a US troll so take no notice.
I know Jens the Danish Viking pretty well…
What he is saying is valueless I block him long ago !
I haven’t blocked anyone…so that I can keep track of Hasbaras…
The XX Century had 203 millions Genocide victims, “only” 6 Millions unproven Jews victims are interesting, the other 197 Millions are valueless for UK/US/Israeli Propaganda.
As long as the focus is on the Shoah, 197 Millions, mostly UK/US/French Victims remained with dust under the Carpet.
http://necrometrics.com/all20c.htm Necrometrics
Estimated Totals for the Entire 20th Century
Site Index
Alphabetical Index
How many people died in all the wars, massacres, slaughters and oppressions of the Twentieth Century? Here are a few atrocitologists who have made estimates:
M. Cherif Bassouni, “Searching for peace and achieving justice: the need for accountability”, published on Law and Contemporary Problems, vol. 59: no. 4. [http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?59+Law+&+Contemp.+Probs.+9+(Fall+1996)] (Citing Rummel and SIPRI)
33 million “military casualties” (That’s how the article phrased it, but I presume that means military deaths.)
170 million killed in “conflicts of a non-international charater, internal conflicts and tyrannical regime victimization”)
incl. 86M since the Second World War
[TOTAL: 203,000,000]
Zbigniew Brzezinski, Out of Control: Global Turmoil on the Eve of the Twenty-first Century (1993)
“Lives deliberately extinguished by politically motivated carnage”:
167,000,000 to 175,000,000
Including:
War Dead: 87,500,000
Military war dead:
33,500,000
Civilian war dead:
54,000,000
Not-war Dead: 80,000,000
Communist oppression:
60,000,000
David Barrett, World Christian Encyclopedia (2001)
Thanks… for the statistics…copied them
Great post and totally agree! Thanks for posting this!
yup
No they’re (the USA) operating to the Rothschild’s playbook and have been since 1913 with the creation of the FED which they (the Rothschild’s) control via the Warburgs and Morgans.
USA Will Drag its own self into WAR
US idiosyncrasy is totally perverted by 220 Years of warmongering and “Genocides”
Only the recent history since 1945 records is 83 Destroyed Country with 28 Millions Civilians Genocides
They are the Planet Cancer for the Humans disappearance
well said, they never build bridges always…DESTROYING & DIVIDING
To You, You mean, dont You. They dont build bridges to You.
I wonder why ?
You speak utter personalised nonsense. Are you a low order operative for the CIA bugging these pages? ….. because I am convinced you are!
Not the USA as its Govermment are the puppets of the Rothschild’s, Warburgs, Schiff’s, Morgans and Lazards. Since 1913, when Woodrow Wilson was duped into allowing the Fed to be created, as a Privately Owned Central Bank, the US lost control of its economy, finances and currency to the International Bankster Cabal and their quest for Global Hegemony. The US has been used by these people for the last 105 years to be the instrument that brings about Global control through finance, intelligence agencies (CIA, NSA, FBI) and military power, with all three used in conjunction to beat all other nations into submission to their will. “Regime Change” is their mantra! Blackmail their principal internal method of control of Politicians and decision makers on a Global basis.
This is explaining all the WW1 miseries done by one man owning all Newspapers weapons factories and corrupting all War Ministers in all the involved Countries. Behind the scene there was the UK Vickers owned by the Rothschild Family !
The Merchant of Death: Basil Zaharoff
TAGS BiographiesWar and Foreign PolicyWorld History
08/24/2007John T. Flynn
If the Lord God Jehovah had not created Basil Zaharoff, some novelist sooner or later would certainly have got around to the job. Indeed, it is by no means certain that Zaharoff, as we have him, is not the joint product of God and the fiction writers.
Lieutenant Colonel Walter Guinness, member for Bury St.Edmonds, committed the blunder against history of referring to Zaharoff in the House of Commons in 1921 as the “Mystery Man of Europe.” Having fixed upon him that fascinating label, the figure of Zaharoff became thereafter a costumer’s dummy upon which the news caricaturists of Europe draped whatever garments would vindicate his reputation.
Mysterious indeed he is and still more mysterious he became at the hands of the sensational news portrait painters. The mystery begins with his birth. A French biographer, Roger Menevee? records that he was born in Moughliou, or Mugla, on the Anatolian coast. But a German, Robert Neumann, asserts that Zaharoff, testifying in a London court as a young man, said he was born in the Tatavla or poor section of Constantinople, and he notes that the Mugla nativity is attested by an affidavit of a Greek priest made forty-two years after the event and was based upon memory.
It was never known with complete certainty to what country he owed allegiance. He was a Greek, born in Turkey, who lived in Paris. His right to the ribbon of the Grand Cross of the Legion of Honor was questioned in the Chamber of Deputies and M. Clemenceau had to assure the Chamber that “M. Zaharoff is a Frenchman.” But also he was throughout his life the guiding genius of a great British armament concern, acted as a British agent, was a Knight of the Bath, known in England as Sir Basil Zaharoff.
Journalists said he spoke fluently fourteen languages — which is probably an extravagant exaggeration. They reported how he had confided to a written record the story of his life, filling fifty-eight volumes which he ordered to be burned at his death, while others told how he had himself destroyed the record, two days being consumed in reducing it to ashes in the furnace of his Paris home. Extravagant tales were told of his habits, his amours, his dinners, and the exotic dishes brought fresh by plane from immense distances for his table. But, in fact, the reporters and the historians have produced but little about the personal life and affairs of the man. Searching the extensive but empty records, one fails to discover any documents or letters or speeches or records or meetings or conferences or instances in which the man is actually present. Always one hears that he is somewhere in the background, off in the shadows, pulling the strings, supplying the stratagems and the money.
Yet it is certain that he remains the most considerable figure in that feverish world of the munitions makers that has had so much advertisement since the Great War. Only a few names take first rank among this dubious company — old Alfred Krupp, the cannon king of Essen, the Schneiders of Creusot, Thomas Vickers, the English gun maker of Sheffield, Skoda, du Pont de Nemours, the American powder king, Colt and Winchester and Remington and Maxim. They were all, as Messrs. Englebrecht and Hanighen have called them, “Merchants of Death.” But the mightiest “merchant” among them, the man who played the largest role in the “merchandising” of munitions, the greatest market maker, was Basil Zaharoff.
Superb commentary and very informative; much appreciated!
Watch this by the brave German journalist Udo Ulfkotte who has since died of cancer, which he knew he had when he wrote his book, which is a best seller in Germany, but not published in English for fear people would rise up against the MSM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGqi-k213eE
https://www.globalresearch.ca/english-translation-of-udo-ulfkottes-bought-journalists-suppressed/5601857
English Translation of Udo Ulfkotte’s “Bought Journalists” Suppressed?
By James F. Tracy
Global Research, July 31, 2017
Region: Europe, USA
Theme: Intelligence, Media Disinformation
The English translation of German journalist Udo Ulfkotte’s best-selling book, Gekaufte Journalisten (Bought Journalists) appears to have been suppressed throughout North America and Europe. On May 15, 2017 Next Revelation Press, an imprint of US-Canadian-based publisher Tayen Lane, released the English version of Bought Journalists, under the title, Journalists for Hire: How the CIA Buys the News.
Tayen Lane has since removed any reference to the title from its website. Correspondingly Amazon.com indicates the title is “currently unavailable,” with opportunities to purchase from independent sellers offering used copies for no less than $1309.09. The book’s subject matter and unexplained disappearance from the marketplace suggest how powerful forces are seeking to prevent its circulation.
Gekaufte Journalisten was almost completely ignored by mainstream German news media following its release in 2014. “No German mainstream journalist is allowed to report about [my] book,” Ulfkotte observed. “Otherwise he or she will be sacked. So we have a bestseller now that no German journalist is allowed to write or talk about.”{1]
Along these lines, publication of the English translation was repeatedly delayed. When this author contacted Ulfkotte in early December 2015 to inquire on the book’s pending translation, he responded, “Please find the link to the English edition here,”
http://www.tayenlane.com/bought-journalists
The above address once providing the book’s description and anticipated publication date now leads to an empty page.[2] Tayen Lane has not responded to emails or telephone calls requesting an explanation for the title’s disappearance.
When a book publisher determines that it has acquired a politically volatile or otherwise “troublesome” title it may embark on a process recognized in the industry as “privishing.” “Privishing is a portmanteau meaning to privately publish, as opposed to true publishing that is open to the public,” writes investigative journalist Gerald Colby.
It is usually employed in the following context: “We privished the book so that it sank without a trace.” The mechanism used is simple: cut off the book’s life-support system by reducing the initial print run so that the book “cannot price profitably according to any conceivable formula,” refuse to do reprints, drastically slash the book’s advertising budget, and all but cancel the promotional tour.”[3]
Privishing often takes place without the author knowing, simply because it involves breach of contract and potential liability. Tayen Lane will likely not face any legal challenge in this instance, however. Ulfkotte died of a heart attack on January 13, 2017, at age 56.[4]
Udo Ulfkotte was a prominent European journalist, social scientist, and immigration reform activist. Upon writing Gekaufte Journalisten and becoming one of the most significant media industry and deep state whistleblowers in recent history, Ulfkotte complained of repeated home searches by German state police and expressed fear for his own life. He also admitted previous health complications stemming from witnessing a 1988 poisoned gas attack in Iraqi Kurdistan.
Ulfkotte’s testimony of how intelligence agencies figure centrally in Western journalism is especially compelling because he for many years functioned in the higher echelons of mainstream newsworkers. The German journalist explains how he was recruited during the 1980s to work in espionage. This began through an invitation proffered by his graduate school advisor for an all-expense-paid trip to attend a two-week seminar on the Cold War conflict in Bonn.
Editor of Major German Newspaper Says He Planted Stories for the CIA
After Ulfkotte obtained his doctorate he was given a job as a reporter at “the leading conservative German newspaper, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, oddly appointed despite no journalistic training and hundreds of other applicants. Serving as a correspondent throughout the Middle East, Ulfkotte eventually became acquainted with agents from the CIA, German intelligence agency Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Britain’s MI6, and Israel’s Mossad, all of whom valued his ability to travel freely in countries largely closed to the West. His editors readily collaborated in such intelligence gathering operations,”[5] for which journalist possess “non-official cover” by virtue of their profession.
“Non-official cover” occurs when a journalist is essentially working for the CIA, but it’s not in an official capacity,” Ulfkotte explains. “This allows both parties to reap the rewards of the partnership, while at the same time giving both sides plausible deniability. The CIA will find young journalists and mentor them. Suddenly doors will open up, rewards will be given, and before you know it, you owe your entire career to them. That’s essentially how it works.”[6] He likewise ruefully admits to “publishing articles under my own name written by agents of the CIA and other intelligence services, especially the German secret service.”[7]
Ulfkotte’s insider knowledge of the relationship between mainstream media and the intelligence community has special relevance in terms of informing the CIA’s antipathy toward Wikileaks, as well as the media campaign centering on the Trump administration’s alleged “ties to Russia,” while also lending credence to Trump’s frequent claims of the US media’s political biases and deep state ties. Indeed, Ulfkotte “Tweeted” about these very subjects just two days before he passed.
Ulfkotte’s explosive revelations still have the potential to further intensify the much-deserved scrutiny corporate news media presently face. In a society that pays more than lip service to freedom of thought and expression Journalists for Hire would be required reading for college students—and particularly those studying in journalism programs intending to seek employment in the media industries.
In fact, journalism professors, some of whom have migrated to the academy following long careers at renowned news outlets, possess similar insider knowledge of the relationships Ulfkotte readily explains. As both journalists and educators they have a twofold burden of responsibility. This is the case more so than ever because the entire professional and intellectual enterprise they are engaged in (and one directly linked to the nation’s accelerating civic deterioration) has been made a farce. Journalists for Hire’s suppression suggests how Ulfkotte’s posthumous censors refuse for this important examination and cleansing to proceed.
Notes
[1] Ralph Lopez, “Editor of Major German Newspaper Says He Planted Stories for CIA,” Reader Supported News, February 1, 2015.
[2] Udo Ulfkotte to James Tracy, email correspondence, December 6, 2015. In author’s possession.
[3] Gerard Colby, “The Price of Liberty,” in Into the Buzzsaw: Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press, Kristina Borjesson, ed., Amherst NY: Prometheus Books, 2002, 15-16.
[4] Former US military intelligence officer L. Fletcher Prouty relates a similar experience of how publication of his book, The Secret Team: The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World, was greeted in 1972. “Then one day a business associate in Seattle called to tell me that the bookstore next to his office building had had a window full of books the day before, and none the day of his call. They claimed they had never had the book. I called other associates around the country. I got the same story from all over the country. The paperback had vanished. At the same time I learned that Mr. Ballantine had sold his company. I traveled to New York to visit the new ‘Ballantine Books’ president. He professed to know nothing about me, and my book … The campaign to to kill the book was nationwide and worldwide. It was removed from the Library of Congress and from College libraries as letters I received attested all too frequently.” Prouty, The Secret Team: The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World, New York: SkyHorse Publishing, 2008, xii.
[5] Ronald L. Ray, “Reporter Admits Most Media Work for CIA, MI6, Mossad,” American Free Press, October 26, 2014. See also Tyler Durden, “German Journalist Blows Whistle on How CIA Controls the Media,” Zerohedge, October 9, 2014; Udo Ulfkotte, “German Politicians Are US Puppets,” Center for Research on Globalization, November 9., 2014.
[6] Durden, “German Journalist Blows Whistle on How CIA Controls the Media.”
[7] Lopez, “Editor of Major German Newspaper Says He Planted Stories for CIA.”
As below, erudite and superb commentary; great stuff …. and hearty thanks!
Thank’s you are welcome…
Yes you are correct to fear. It is time this earth be cleansed from the ones who created the western colonies along with their followers. I am not a believer that their populations are good people BUT………… forcing them to do what they doing. Actually I believe the by products of the globalist, populations under their control and brainwashing machines (education system) for centuries now, are way worst than their creators.
Anti Russia propaganda started quite recently. I could post here images of younger Putin driving a car on Bush’s private ranch, making jokes. Or images of joint NATO-Russia drills. Or mainstream discussion if Russia is ready to join NATO. These are not lies. Everything went wrong after NATO destroyed Iraq on false pretext with “chemical weapons” and US MIC needed desperately another scapegoat to justify enormous military spending. So antirussia hysteria started in mainstream and last for a decade.
And people are basically dumb as idiots and Goebels-like propaganda works perfectly on them. I suppose some 90% of west population is indoctrinated enough to go in war with Russia.
They are utterly brainwashed and stupid. It is Russia’s fault that didn’t take any countermeasures against Soros-Rothschild-Deep State coalition and let it go so far.
They wanted avoid confrontation and what they achieved is losing all allies and now they are facing alone united brainwashed-zombie like West. Even in Syria they act quite weak. Remeber – Idlib was lost without fighting. S300 are present for years but never fired at Israeli planes. East Euphrate zone is occupied by illegal US presence. Genocide in Raqqa was never brought to light and punished.
They are utterly brainwashed and stupid.
That’s generally true of people.
brainwashed-zombie like West
Again, people everywhere are the same standard of brainwashed zombies.
Genocide in Raqqa
Seriously? The damages/deaths there strike me as on the same scale as Mosul or Aleppo.
This is more true for the UK/US education “System”, but a bit less in the developed Europe
====================================== https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/10/26/the-simulacra-democracy/ .
The Simulacra Democracy
by JOHN STEPPLING
… a nation in which 87 percent of eighteen- to twenty-four year olds (according to a 2002 National Geographic Society/Roper Poll survey) cannot locate Iran or Iraq on a world map and 11 percent cannot locate the United States (!) is not merely “intellectually sluggish.” It would be more accurate to call it moronic, capable of being fooled into believing anything …”
— Morris Berman
I cannot remember U.S. culture ever being quite so compromised by ruling class control. Hollywood turns out one jingoistic and militaristic and racist film and TV show after another. Corporate news is completely controlled by the same forces that run Hollywood. It is the complete capitulation of the liberal class to the interests of the increasingly fascistic U.S. elite. And this didn’t start with Donald Trump. Certainly in its current incarnation it goes back at least to Bill Clinton, and really it goes back to the end of World War Two. The ideological trajectory was formed under the Dulles brothers and military industrial complex — representing U.S. business interests and exhibiting a demand for global hegemony. But once the Soviet Union collapsed, the project was accelerated and intensified.
Another starting point might well be the 1960 Bay of Pigs fiasco, or the 1961 CIA (and MI6) assassination of Patrice Lumumba. Or Kennedy’s 1962 speech at American University calling for the end of Pax Americana. We know what happened to Kennedy soon after that. Pick any of these incidents. But it was the fall of the U.S.S.R. that signaled to the governing class, the proprietor class, that the last real obstacle to global domination had been removed. In the interim, one finds the Iran/Contra affair, and the invasion of Iraq. The real and the symbolic meaning of the Soviet Union is forgotten today, I think. Its meaning for the developing world, especially.
The next conscious trial balloon was Clinton’s attack on the former Yugoslavia. A test run for expanding NATO. And it worked. The propaganda machine has never been as successful as it was when it demonized the Serbs and Milosevic. Then came 9/11. And the well honed PR machine spewed an endless barrage of hyper-patriotic rhetoric and disinformation. American exceptionalism was given full credibility. And remember Colin Powell and his cartoon visual teaching aids at the UN? Nobody was going to argue. Certainly not the white liberal class. And Hollywood upped its game in churning out military fantasies. And in just churning out fantasies. A genre that lent itself to obvious neo-colonial messages. By 2007, when Barack Obama announces he will run for President, the master narrative for America was firmly entrenched. The biggest hit from Hollywood in this period is Avatar (2009), a neo-colonial fable that fit seamlessly with Obama’s reconquest of Africa.
Dan Glazebrook recently wrote:
The year 2009, two years before Gaddafi’s murder, was a pivotal one for US-African relations. First, because China surpassed the US as the continent’s largest trading partner; and second, because Gaddafi was elected President of the African Union. The significance of both for the decline of US influence on the continent could not be clearer. Whilst Gaddafi was spearheading attempts to unite Africa politically, committing serious amounts of Libyan oil wealth to make this dream a reality, China was quietly smashing the West’s monopoly over export markets and investment finance. Africa no longer had to go cap-in-hand to the IMF for loans, agreeing to whatever self-defeating terms were on offer, but could turn to China – or indeed Libya – for investment. And if the US threatened to cut them off from their markets, China would happily buy up whatever was on offer. Western economic domination of Africa was under threat as never before.
The US response was to increase base building, upgrade AFRICOM, and then murder Gadaffi. Hollywood hits from this period include The Hurt Locker and The Dark Knight. Meanwhile domestically Obama was giving the OK for militarizing of police departments across the country. On another front….Danny Haiphong wrote…
What isn’t discussed often enough is how Obama has worked tirelessly to protect and fulfill the interests of the corporate healthcare system. In 2009, he collaborated with the monopoly health insurance industry and its pharmaceutical counterparts to repress the demand for single payer healthcare. The conditions at the time appeared ripe for a single payer system. Popular discontent with Republican Party rule was at its highest point. A relatively organized movement for single payer care was represented by organizations such as Healthcare Now. The Democratic Party possessed a majority in both the House and Senate.
Obama came to power as Wall Street went into meltdown, 2008. But instead of hope and change we got almost 5 trillion dollars moving to the top 1% of the financial elite. Poverty increased every year under Obama, as did inequality. Social Network came out in 2010 and Wolf of Wall Street in 2013. Both were big hits. The message from Hollywood never changed. And part of that message is that wealth is its own justification and a symbol of virtue. Hollywood, and U.S. liberals just naturally gravitate toward the rich.
Obama attacked Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Somalia, and Yemen. And it is perhaps that last venture that will prove to be his most significant. Arming, training, and coordinating the Saudi aggression (and now that has escalated to boots on the ground) against the helpless Yemen has resulted in the largest humanitarian catastrophe in five decades.
The U.S. now has all but formally criminalized dissent, especially if that dissent is aimed at Israel.
None of this is to create exact corollaries between political action and studio product. But rather that the overriding message of Hollywood in both film and TV is to validate U.S. exceptionalism. And to hedge criticism with faint token protest. But its not just Hollywood, its theatre and fiction and all the rest of the arts. The erasure of the working class is the most pronounced truth in American culture today. There are no Clifford Odets (a high school drop out) anymore; they have been replaced by a steady stream of well groomed compliant MFA grads. Mostly from elite and expensive schools. Hemingway and James Baldwin were not college grads, nor was Tennessee Williams, the son of a traveling shoe salesman. Even more recent authors such as Thomas Pynchon were college drop outs (to join the Navy), but the point is that today mass culture is carefully controlled. Dreiser was a college drop out, and Twain was a typesetters apprentice. Others like Faulkner, went to University, but also worked. In Faulkner’s case as a postman. Same profession as Henry Miller and Charles Bukowski. Stephen Crane and Hemingway worked as journalists, when that was an honorable profession.
The decision makers in mass culture are mostly firmly entrenched in the Democratic Party ethos (witness stuff like House of Cards, Madame Secretary, or Veep). If one only gets one’s news from MSNBC or FOX or CNN then one will take away mostly pure propaganda. Rachel Maddow has a career based on craven parroting of DNC approved talking points and conclusions. Bill Maher, whose show is on HBO, is of late pimping for war. Sunday news talk shows do not invite radical voices, not ever. Michael Parenti isn’t on those shows, nor are Ajamu Baraka or Glen Ford Mike Whitney or Ed Curtin or Dan Glazebrook or Stephen Gowans. No, but there are plenty of retired generals and politicians. This is a media that exerts absolute control of message.
The loss of the working class, of class diversity, has been a far bigger blow to the health of the culture than anything else. One might argue that culture has always been, in the modern era, a province of the bourgeoisie, and that’s true. But there is still a rather pronounced change that has taken place. But Americans are discouraged from thinking in terms of class. They see individualism and identity. Get me more women directors they cry….which would give us more versions of Zero Dark Thirty, I guess. Gender equality matters, something every single socialist country in history has emphasized. Something Chavez saw fit to write into the Bolivarian constitution on day one. Chavez, who liberal avatar Bernie Sanders dismissed as a “dead communist dictator”. Chavez, who feminist avatar Hillary Clinton worked overtime to oust from power.
People are shocked…shocked I say…that US soldiers are killed in Niger. Darn that Donald Trump. When it is pointed out that it was Obama who sent troops there in his pivot to Africa, one is met with blank stares. The concern over U.S. soldiers dying is simply mind numbing in its hypocrisy and blinkered exceptionalism. I mean just count the numbers of dead civilians due to U.S. drone strikes from just one year. Pick any year you like.
Under Obama, the US African Command (AFRICOM) has penetrated every African country but Zimbabwe and Eritrea. AFRICOM has locked African nations into military subservience. In 2014, the US conducted 674 military operations in Africa . According to a recent Freedom of Information Act request by Intercept, the US currently has Special Forces deployed in more than twenty African nations.
Danny Haiphong
People are terrified today lest they be called conspiracy theorists. No single pejorative term has exercised such disproportionate power. There is a subterranean subject position associated with this, too. A masculine identity that connects with the presentation of those accepting of the official version of things. It is ‘no nonsense, mature, and sort of tough guy’ pose. Only weak and muddled (feminine you see!) would bother to question official narratives of…well, anything. It is staggering, really, why so few ask why is it OK to assassinate people without due process? Why is it whistleblowers, truth tellers, are being locked away and shunned? Why are there 900 plus US military bases around the world. Why, given the growing poverty in the U.S. do we need an updated nuclear arsenal that will cost trillions? In fact why is the defense budget over 4 billion a day? The liberal educated class seem not to ask such questions. Let alone ask is the U.S. arming takfiri jihadists in Syria? Most of what people call conspiracy is just perfectly reasonable skepticism. Given a history that includes COINTELPRO, Operation Northwoods, Gladio, MKUltra, and Operation AJAX. This is also relevant in terms of the coming war on *fake news*. An idea put forward by Obama and now in enthusiastic Orwellian operation by Facebook, YouTube, and Google. In the U.K. Theresa May proudly announces the government SHOULD control what one can see on the internet. Censorship is pitched as protection.
And then we come to NATO and Europe. Why does NATO even exist one might ask? I mean the USSR doesn’t exist anymore. Well, the answer has been under construction for a few years now, and that answer is the extraordinary anti Putin propaganda of the U.S. The “Russian Threat” is now an accepted trope in public discourse. Or the anti Iranian disinformation. In fact Iran is far more democratic and less a global threat (actually its NO global threat) than U.S. boon allies Israel and Saudi Arabia. Which brings us back to Yemen. The utter destruction of Yemen, poorest Arab country in the world, and now one with the largest Cholera outbreak in history, posed no threat to ANYONE. Certainly not to the United States. Are we to believe the House of Saud is worth supporting? They behead homosexuals and witches in Saudi Arabia. The leader of KSA is a 32 year old psychopath named Mohammed Bin Salman. Someone please explain the U.S. support for this country?
Or Venezuela. The U.S. has waged various campaigns against this sovereign nation for over a decade now. A democracy. But a disobedient one. Where is the outcry? When people are going on about Harvey Weinstein, a troglodyte movie producer that literally everyone knew was a serial abuser, I wonder that the women of Venezuela seem not to count. Or of Libya, or Haiti, or Puerto Rico, or hell, the women of Houston right now. Poor women. Ah, but that is class again. Now perhaps the Weinstein affair will yield good results and some form of collective protection and maybe even unionizing will take place to limit the power of rich white men. I doubt it, but maybe. Still, given that the liberal class today applaud the idea of making it OK for women to bomb defenseless villages in Afghanistan or Iraq or Yemen, just like men, and given that most of these horrified by Weinstein were and are solidly behind Hillary Clinton and the DNC, and laud adulation on figures like Maddie Albright, it seems hard to imagine.
David Rosen:
Sexual abuse and violence in the U.S. is as old as the country. America’s patriarchal culture long legitimized sexual abuse and violence toward women — and children — whether conducted at the workplace, at home, a nightclub or on a deserted street. During the nation’s earliest days, the custom of sexual abuse and violence was legitimized through the notion of “chastisement.” This was a feature of Anglo-American common law that recognized the husband as master of “his” household and, thus, permitted him to subject “his” wife to corporal punishment, including rape, so long as he did not inflict permanent injury upon her. Sexual abuse was institutionalized in the rape of African and later African-American female slaves. As the legal scholar Adrienne Davis notes, “U.S. slavery compelled enslaved black women to labor in three markets – productive, reproductive, and slavery – crucial to the political economy.”
One need only note the sexual violence that takes place in the U.S. military (See Kirby Dick’s The Invisible War). But that is not the military you see in this season’s TV shows such as SEAL Team or Valor or The Brave. The current Tom Cruise film American Made is a sort of comedy about Barry Seal who worked as a pilot for the CIA, and with various cartels in South America. Yeah, nothing funnier than squashing a socialist government like in Nicaragua. There is not a single Spanish speaking character who is not either a drunk, a sadist, or just incompetent. This stunningly racist revisionism was called “jaunty and bouncy” by the Hollywood Reporter.
The liberal class will always side with the status quo. Always. They do not care if the status quo is fascist. And its suits them much more to lay out bromides about male abuse of women, as long as this doesn’t mean having to untangle the complexity of women in unfamiliar non tourist visited nations like Yemen or Libya or Honduras. Just like the fact that U.S. domestic police departments murdered over a thousand black men in 2015. And continue to do so, along with increasing numbers of black women. That’s just not a jaunty bouncy story, I guess. Obama has never been comfortable talking about or to black people. He did manage to scold Colin Kaepernick recently though, about the pain he, Kaepernick, might be causing. The pain of white billionaire sports team owners I guess. The Uncle Tomism of what Glen Ford called black misleadership has never been greater. And that’s another crime we can lay, largely, at the feet of Barack Obama.
The U.S. House voted unanimously to sanction Iran and North Korea, an absurdity and a crime, and yet one that barely registered on the media Richter scale. What has Iran or North Korea ever done to hurt anyone in the United States? It is Saudi Arabia and Israel that fear a democratic nation like Iran and the influence they wield in the region. Iran is accused of fomenting instability but evidence is never given. Russia is said to control U.S. public opinion, but evidence is never given. The U.S. doesn’t even bother to really try and make claims about Venzeuela, because its just part of inherited wisdom that they are *bad*. Like Castro was bad, like Gadaffi, like Aristide, like anyone exhibiting independence. The world according to media entertainment is made up of bad guys and good guys. Mike Pompeo, head of the CIA, recently stated that his agency would become a “much more vicious agency” in fighting its enemies. Its actually hard to imagine what that might look like given CIA history. More vicious than rendition, drone killing and black site torture? Remember it was the U.S. and its School of the Americas that trained those death squads in Central America. Hollywood makes comedies about this.
In any event nobody in Hollywood complains. Just as none of the actresses assaulted by Weinstein (and countless others) said anything lest they lose career opportunities. Just as nobody complains about the racism and demonizing of Muslims or Serbs or North Koreans or Russians lest they not get the job. Coercion is silent and a given. It is also absolute. Most actors and directors simply don’t think about it, and most know little beyond what they hear on corporate news or read in the NYTimes. But I understand. People have to eat, have to feed their families. The real problem is that power is ever more consolidated. Distribution of films is monopolized. And for most Americans, foreign policy remains a giant black hole about which they know very little. Tell someone Milosovic was actually a good guy and they will laugh at you (this still happens on the left, too, rather depressingly). Tell them Russia is not threatening the U.S. or Europe, and they will laugh at you. Try to explain what Imperialism is and means, and you get that bored look of irritation. A good rule of thumb is if the U.S. targets a country or leader, then its worth questioning the western generated propagated propaganda in mainstream media about said country or leader (think Syria, Gadaffi, Aristide, Milosovic, Iran, North Korea). The U.S. does not go after countries who welcome western capital.
One of the things I’ve noticed about Hollywood film is the extraordinary amount of self pity from most characters. Self pity, entitlement, and sarcasm. The people who produce and make film and TV today, by and large, tacitly censor themselves. Some don’t have to, of course. But there is a general group think at work. And it extends to the way characters are written. The problems of affluent white people is the template here. Few examine the wider world, and mostly when they do it is seen as a world of threat and menace. An uncivilized place in need of guidance from the civilized white West (The Lost City of Z comes to mind, which made all the approved anti colonial notes while still creating a colonial narrative anyway.). But it is even more narrow than that. Everything resembles a studio; political discussions, even if they take place in outer space, resemble studio executives discussing opening weekend profits, or Neilson ratings. And since Hollywood itself ever more resembles Wall Street, or some corporate headquarters, that is increasingly what the world looks like. It is a profound loss of imagination. Westerns look and sound the same as melodramas set in Santa Monica or New York. Fantasy worlds resemble corporate headquarters or corporate motivational weekends. It is a world created by writers under thirty, largely, and certainly under forty. These are worlds created by people who themselves know very little of the world. They know even less about having to work for a living. The entire universe of film is absent any class awareness. History is simplified the better to appeal to a wider audience. Everything feels and sounds the same. And it is stultifying. There are films and TV from Europe, even from the U.K. that have merit, have heterogeneous sensibilities, but not from Hollywood. Like White House press conferences, the idea is to stay on message. Black characters sound white (or are given caricature *black* dialect and dialogue), brown characters sound white (or are given caricature barrio dialects), and Muslims sound dangerous and devious. Asians seem lifted from Fu Manchu serials or Charlie Chan. Strange when I hear people make fun of ethnic cliches from the 1940s, because it is really no different today (and check the recent TV incarnation of the venerable Star Trek franchise where the Klingon villains are very dark, live in dark spaceships and utter a guttural invented language all of which suggests something oddly racist and like nothing so much as colonial portraits of savages from darkest Africa).
Fixation on Trump’s crimes distracts from a system in which crime is a built-in factor. Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump. They are only the figureheads that carry water for the system. And the system is the property of the ruling class. People vote as if it crucially matters, and they vote for who they like. Not for policy because mostly they have no idea of policy. Trump is an obvious target, but that’s the problem in a sense. America didn’t become racist and violent overnight. The forces of social unrest have been building for decades. Trump was inevitable. His lack of basic literacy mirrors the nation he nominally heads, and his vulgarity mirrors the vulgarity of America, as does his misogyny and racism. The same advisors are in place and if Hillary had won, those openly fascist thugs applauding Trump would still be committing hate crimes. Has Trump empowered them? To a degree, yes. But an HRC win would likely have provided motivation of a different sort and the same violence would be taking place. You cannot sustain, as a country, this level of inequality. And as more super hurricanes descend on us, as the bio-sphere collapses, none of this may end up mattering. There is something disturbing, actually, about the relentless attacks on Trump. Its like beating up a special needs kid. Where was this hatred and outrage before? I mean Trump’s America, a term I hear a lot, is just America. We have over 2 million people in prison in the U.S. Far and away leaders in the world. Infant mortality however puts the U.S. between 26th and 51st, depending on who is counting. There is no Universal Heath Care, no union protection for workers, no maternity leave, no free education. What is there to feel so special about, exactly? Trump was very popular on his moronic reality TV show. I’m guessing more than few now outraged by this buffoonish reactionary watched that show. I mean it did last fifteen years I believe. Who did they think he was? There is nothing wrong with identifying the crimes of Trump’s administration. But there is something deeply wrong in not recognizing it as a continuation of prevailing policy. Yes, it is worse in many areas. The environment for one. But then again, 47% of the world’s pollution is caused by the military. And the U.S. has a military bigger than the next ten largest militaries in the world. And every president since the first Bush has increased the military budget. The nightmare did not begin with the swearing in of Donald Trump. But nobody likes him. They liked Obama. And that is why he was able to do so much harm. Trump is dangerous not because of what he thinks (he mostly doesn’t) but because of his ignorance and weakness (and fear). And that weakness generated his welcoming hand to the Pentagon. Foreign policy is really in the hands of a man nicknamed ‘Mad Dog’. One cannot blame this catastrophic situation on one man. This is the creation of American history.
Errh, why would you post an entire article? First off I’m not going to read it, and second, the internet works with links.
I am sure in any country you can find people who cannot find Iraq on a globe, incl. of course Russia.
Trolls didn’t read !
In the US NeoColonial Empire, it’s the same disgusting Junk-Food and Education Culture, but even more degenerated, if possible !
Russia ? I didn’t know well enough, only have been twice in Moscow where Peoples looks more Civilized than in New-York or other US cities where I have been few times. US Racism, Social discrimination, noisy arrogance and Junk-Food aren’t my cup of tea, after two weeks I am tired and I will have to live the Country. In the Middle East, China, South East Asia, I can stay months.
Tell me what do you eat, I will tell you who you are !
Tell me what do you eat, I will tell you who you are !
Bullocks. If you’re claim were true, you’d be able to tell what people eat from who they are. So I could show you any person and you could tell me their diet. Since nobody can do this, your claim is easily proven false.
US Racism
Spare me your Communist Liberal “racism” crap. And BTW Russians are far, far, far more racist than Americans. You should look on YouTube for some videos by blacks who visited Russia. You might learn something.
YouTube is good enough for brainwashed troll’s, not for me used to see by myself, and live a while if convenient…
I am as Communist as Scandinavia, Holland, Germany, Italy, France or Switzerland are.
McCarthyism, segregation, Prohibition are illustrating perfectly the Gun-Totting narrow perverted US idiosyncrasy.
Even the marvelous Charly Chaplin, among others, had to run away
The Today US is more racist than the German were before WW2, everything said by Hollywood, CNN, Fox News and al can’t be trusted and is valueless… =============================== Anglo-American Money Owners Organized World War II
by Valentin Katasonov
To mark the 70th anniversary of the Victory against Nazism, we publish a study of Valentin Katasonov on financing of the NSDAP and the rearmament of the Third Reich. The author deals with new documents that confirm the organization of the Second World War by US and UK Bankers, covered by President Franklin Roosevelt and Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, in the hope of destroying the USSR. This study raises new questions that will be addressed in a future article. http://www.voltairenet.org/article187508.html =================================
Seventy years of harassing political establishment and people of Europe
by Andrey Fomin
Contrary to appearances, the decision of the United States to investigate a possible Russian aid to anti-European parties is not intended to protect Europeans from foreign interference. This is quite the opposite. For 70 years, Washington controls the West European politics prohibiting all forms of genuine democracy. http://www.voltairenet.org/article190171.html
Yawn …. too boring, you put me to sleep.
Having never been to Russia I’m sure you again don’t know what you’re talking about. Russia’s second largest influx of immigrants are students from Africa who have stayed on in numbers, living in Russian cities and integrating into Russian culture and economy. There are plenty of YouTube videos of them showing what daily life is like, and such video’s peaked around the World Cup.
You believe what you want to believe, Mr. Fantasy Propaganda Liar. It’s all nirvana in Russia, sure it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6biiyyXk3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqQZEPUisaM (you have to watch the whole thing, it has two parts)
That sucks. But 25,000 African students have chosen to remain in Russia after finishing college. And you said that racism in Russia is far, far worse than in the USA. How does this man’s experience compare to a half dozen black people being shot to death by a little white kid they accepted into Bible Study in South Carolina? His motive? The girl he likes had a black boyfriend. Incidents of violence against minorities in the USA is an epidemic. And racism is official as well. Take Harvard’s admission policies discriminating against Asian Americans, now the subject of a lawsuit. The U.S. is racism crazy and Americans have no room to lecture Russia about race, at all.
“How does this man’s experience compare to a half dozen black people being shot to death by a little white kid they accepted into Bible Study in South Carolina?” One messed up kid. If there were 3 million blacks in Russia, you’d see more crimes against them too. The point is, in US, most people would have protected the black guy getting beat up by the two white guys. In that way it is less racist. Also in Russia, people throw bananas on a football pitch when blacks play. That doesn’t happen in US.
“Incidents of violence against minorities in the USA is an epidemic” – Yeah but the perpetrators are also minorities. As to inter-racial crimes, blacks are vastly more likely to attack, kill, rape or rob whites than vice versa. VASTLY. The difference is off the charts. Look up FBI crime stats if you are interested.
“Take Harvard’s admission policies discriminating against Asian Americans” – lol, there’s way more discrimination against whites and in favor of Jews. Jews are like 1/3rd of Harvard, b/c almost all the admission staff are Jews.
So, how many Chechens in the top Russian university? How many from Dagestan?
Many Ingush and other Caucusus ethnicities are there in Physics and other Science Universities of Russia . Refer to Anatoly Karlin who is surprised on this trend and thinks Caucusus guys are rigging the exams to get to there .But then Poverty makes people work hard and Ingush are hard working. And many Dagestanis are MMA fighters or part of Russian army(30%) many of whom who are part of the Russian expeditionary forces in Syria and Libya . Chechens love to live off Kadyrov’s welfare state and love their local ways and many chechen teips despise Kafirs in General. A kafir like you would be dead meat and your girlfriend their sex slave.
And a kafir like you would be a sex slave and then (raw) dead meat.
Same with you .
OK, so now maybe you can dispense with name-calling and insults and we can discuss topics rationally? I’m always happier to proceed in peace but rarely keep mum if someone attacks me. I’m like Russia and you like US – aggressive, attacking. BTW this is part of my talk about “hypocrisy”, everyone is aggressive and attacking when they can. On this site, I see it every time I come to post here, I make points on topic and suddenly 5-10 posters appear and make personal attacks. It is cowardly, wrong, aggressive. You have also done this. Please stop.
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No way. Aleppo is a functional city. The parts of the city held by the government in total are realitively untouched and tens of thousands of refugees have returned there. One of the best videos during the Aleppo conflict was one released by the Syrian government which displayed life in government quarters of Aleppo during the reconquest of Jihadi street gang areas. People were going to school and work, swimming in co-ed pools, drinking at coffee bars, having a drink at a bar. You’ll look long and hard for any such video from Raqqa or Mosul. The only reason you’d make such an ignorant comment is because you live inside the American Corporate MSM bubble.
Errrhhhh – the point is to look at the parts held by the rebels for comparison. I think that is so obvious you must be a troll to look at the parts held by the government. As all of Raqqa was held by ISIS so the obvious point was, compare areas where Syria/Russia booted out the opposition. Geez.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4058970/Aleppo-laid-bare-Shocking-map-shows-areas-city-suffered-100-cent-destruction-33-000-homes-wiped-out.html (see esp. the drone video)
The point is that the USA flattened Raqqa. There has been little to no rebuilding and as noted in a UN report the large scale of unburied human remains were presenting a health hazard to survivors living in the ruins. The reason for it is because the Kurds don’t care about an Arab city and the Kurds are America’s pets in Syria. They needed to eliminate ISIS in Raqqa quickly so the SDF could pivot South and race down the Euphrates. So brute force, Mission Accomplished. And dude, seriously you are coming to South Front posting a link to an anti -Russian hysterical UK newspaper? You’ll get laughed right into disgrace around here. SouthFront like other Alt news and sites exist because of the failures of places like the dailymail to responsibly cover stories from differing points of view.
” The point is that the USA flattened Raqqa. ”
Yes , and the other point is that turnaround should be fair play. After the way the State Dept and MSM ranted hysterically about Aleppo , when what happened there was no worse than what happened in Mosul and then Raqqa , well then , now’s about time for a little hysteria payback
Yep. And from our point of view it doesn’t have to be all that hysterical. There are a million Yeminis under threat of mass starvation resulting from the American/British/Saudi war being waged there. It’s a fact that the West screams about civilian casualties when anyone else takes military action to clean up their messes but they themselves have logs in their eyes about the mass victims they’ve left behind. A million civilians dead in Iraq. Just in Iraq. End of story.
All politics is hypocrisy. Russia has certainly committed more than its share of war crimes and crimes against humanity as well.
Not even close. Where has Russia killed a million people, especially in a war based on false pretenses and without a UN Security Council Resolution? No where.
Russia hasn’t had a UNSC resolution for any of its wars.
I’m not going through Russia history here. But the Korean War was started by USSR and N. Korea – is USSR Russia for you? Otherwise, you can ask Russia’s neighbors about how they feel about Russia. Balkans, Poland, Ukraine, Georgia, etc.
Those list of places are a long list of places that have deep seeded issues with Russia dating back centuries. The Polish Empire invaded Russia twice in the past. Like Ukraine, where many for centuries have resented the rise of Muscovy and still view it as a Slavic upstart. Ukraine nationalist circles even sides with the Nazi’s and manned the Western Wall on D-Day. These countries want to use the U.S. and NATO as vehicles to settle old scores and it says more about them than it does about Russia, especially the current Russian Federation. And the Korean War was started by North Korea all on her own, and for the North’s own reasons. Try not to just make shit up.
Ukraine nationalist circles even sides with the Nazi’s
Indeed, against the Red Army, who wouldn’t? Especially since Germany promised them independence upon victory (probably not a promise Germany would have kept but it seems Bandera believed them, until he didn’t and Germans put him in a concentration camp).
Frankly, Poland is mostly mad about Russian occupation for 46 years. Ukraine is also very mad about that. So are the Balkans. It wasn’t just occupation, either, it was Russification, boy, that really pissed people off! Talk about genocide! Yeah, Russia has done many terrible things. Deny it all you want, nobody cares what you (or I) think. But you might find accepting reality is a better way to proceed.
Russia has never occupied the Balkans. There you go making shit up again. There is resentment about the Cold War, surely. But that only scratches the surface of the conflict. It is far older and deeper than that and Poland wants to magnify the current threat to stir up trouble and settle scores that have nothing to do with the current International order as provided for by International agreements. Poland started this along with Lithuania in the 1200’s and got their butt kicked on a frozen lake outside of Pskov. After continuing to have said butts kicked for centuries they’ve all latched on to the Russian boogey man myth and any outside power who comes along that might be used for payback. Gustavus Adolphus and the Swedish Empire. Napoleon. Nazi Reich. And now NATO/USA. It’s an old story and will end the same way.
Oops, my bad, meant Baltics. But, Russia also occupied Bulgaria and Romania.
You have obviously never been to Poland. You have not the slightest clue what you are talking about.
Never been, not going. But I do know that Poland tried to conquer Russia twice and once dressed up a pretender to the throne and sent him to rule Russia and invite the Poles in. A Polish armed force penetrated all the way to Vologda before people realized the new Czar was working against Russia’s interests, deposed him and kicked the Poles out. Both the Polish and Lithuanian Empires had designs on Russia’s vast resource base and dreampt often of holding all the lands between the two seas: Baltic and Black. This conflict and tension today has nothing to do with the character of the Russian Federation but it is rehashed ambition from the losers of the past.
Well I’ve been a number of times. I can assure you the hatred for Russia is almost exclusively based on the Soviet WW II and post-WW II occupations. Nobody alive now cares about 1200.
Additionally, bulgaria and Romania were a part of the Cold War Soviet bloc because they joined the Axis Powers in war with the Soviet Union. The first stage in the counteroffensive at Stalingrad was an assault on a Romanian Army guarding Germany’s Sixth Army flank. The spoils of war.
Exactly, occupied. You claimed they weren’t.
The Korean War was not started by North Korea. Have some decency and do the necessary research.
Yes, it was. Without question. You have some decency and do research.
So we are going with your high school history lesson. The one that says that Iraq had WMDs in 2003.
I see you take great pleasure in being an asshole. Seems like everyone on Southfront is like this. It is easy to understand why all of Russia’s neighbors hate Russia.
Idiot i am from the Caribbean ..Not Russia.. Secondly people dont hate Russia. Western installed puppets governments in these countries do the bidding of America to foment Russia hatred in these countries.. Try to keep up..
Erhh, you should get out of the Caribbean then, idiot. Because in fact all of the surrounding countries hate Russia. Profoundly. And they aren’t “Western installed puppet governments”, hahahahahaha! You’re too much, go pick a coconut.
Mongolia,Central Asia,China ,North Korea ,Armenia,Turkey ,Greece,Belarus, LNR/LPR(donetsk republics) ,South Ossetia,Abkhazia support Russia.
Poland,Western Junta ruled Ukraine,Baltic republics,Georgia despise it and have the NATO megaphone fake news to enhance the same.
Moldavia,Finland,Sweden,Norway,Azerbaijan are wary and neutral .
Next time don’t make BS claim that all Russia’s neighbors hate it.
Yes, I was mainly talking about the Europe side. Turkey relations are more of a cold war – not so long ago Turkey shot down a Russian jet, if you remember. Greece is not a neighbor. Belarus is the exception. As to “Junta”, lol, Ukrainians really hate Russia now.
Except that Putin and Dugin warned Erdogan of the coming coup and helped the Lawful govt at a critical time when General Votel was organizing the coup via incirlik base. As for Ukraine junta ,don’t worry . A properly placed blow to the petrodollar will be sufficient to shut down the NATO propaganda megaphone and will reduce that hate.
As to warning Erdogan: that is an unconfirmed rumor. Or if there is confirmation, can you share a link please? In any case Russia and Turkey are hardly good friends, they are managing to avoid direct conflict in Syria but it’s hardly an example of teamwork. I think USSR and UK/US got along better in WW III :).
As to Ukraine reconciling with Russia, inshallah! But it will take both sides. Biggest problem on Russian side is this great felling of supremacy over Ukraine and Ukrainians (“little brother”, etc.), it’s very condescending, hopefully Russians can accept Ukrainians as equals and Ukraine the same. It’s not a NATO megaphone issue at all. I lived many years in Ukraine, I understand the conflict very very well, and NATO is a symptom, not a cause. A much bigger cause are the Jews in Ukraine, who are stoking a great deal of the hatred, that is for sure, much much much much more so than NATO.
In general I would say Jews are Russias’s Biggest enemy. Despite Russia worshiping them, lol. Bolsheviks were Jewish destruction of tsarist Russia and Christianity; the Yeltsin years austerity was to a great extent Jews stealing all of Russian wealth (the “Western advisors” for economic “liberalization” which sent all of Russia’s wealth into hands of Jew oligarchs during the 90s were almost all Jews, I would not call them Americans.). Now in the “Western press” there is a lot of “Russophobia” but this press is heavily controlled by Jews and they stoke up a lot of hatred toward Russia in the “West”. Ukrainian media is almost all in the hands of Ukrainian Jews and they are extremely anti-Russian.
Except that before the coup ,the talk was there from Joaquin Flores. And on the bolsheviks ,yes they were jewish and killed tens of millions in the Russian civil war .But then Stalin killed a large no. of them ,so the jews demonized him ,sent Hitler after him and ultimately assassinated him.
Stalin was no doubt a psychopath like Erdogan who fell on the wrong side of the Rothschild as he went against their plans ( international revolution,ban on abortion,restoring cossacks as power) but nowhere as bloody as Trotsky -Lenin combine .
As Turkey it wants to buy s-400,su-57 ,offering incirlik to Russia. https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/article/turkeys-incirlik-offer-russia-ankaras-july-4-present-washington
russians worship the social welfare and economic stability of stalin era which was a symbol of communism not the bolsheviks itself.
Russia took Crimea after the peninsula’s Russian speaking majority were both disenfranchised and threatened. Casualties? Two people. Russia defended South Ossetia after Georgia attacked and several hundred were killed in the conflict at the receiving end of Russian weapons. Nothing at all close to the totals in Iraq, Syria or even Libya where a Western led intervention has led to hundreds of thousands of casualties and the arrival of open air slave markets. Russia has actually showed remarkable restraint in the post cold war lawless era, so has committed far fewer a “share” of crimes of war, especially when compared to the USA.
Crimea threatened? Sorry, not buying that. There are plenty of largely Russia places in Ukraine, like Odessa, Mariupol, Kharkov, Sumy, etc. (all places I have visited or lived) where nobody has been “disenfranchised”. There was one hooligan affair in Odessa, it’s true, but some of my Russian friends in Odessa blamed the Communists for that (I don’t agree but just to say, it was not an ethnic thing, it was an anti-Communist thing at the trade union house).
Of course US has been the big bad boy since collapse of USSR. But, if US had collapsed, I have no doubt USSR would have been the big bad boy. The more powerful are always the ones starting the wars.
You are a liar. You have never been to Russia or Ukraine. You show little understanding of the complexity or tenor of life in that part of the world and your trolling on a pro-Russia website reveals you for who and what you are. The little affair you mention in Odessa was the mass killing of dozens of ethnic Russians and came at the long end of assaults which began with a right sector ambush of Russians coming home to Crimea on buses after leaving pro-government rallies in Kiev. Eight were killed and three buses torched. Threats were being made inside Crimea from rightists about Russian language schools and people knowing “their place.” The Crimean parliament asked Russia for help. Period. End of story.
I’ve been to both Russia and Ukraine, so, in fact, you are wrong again. I think that makes it 100% of the time now, lol.
Me trolling? LOL, I’m not trolling at all. Just not buying your BS. I know you are a snowflake liar who loves the echo chamber and groupthink. The website itself actually has pretty good articles, not nearly as extreme as some of the commenters here, like yourself.
mass killing of dozens of ethnic Russians
It was also ethnic Ukrainians. Not that truth matters to you. And I didn’t call it “little”. Another lie by you.
Threats were being made inside Crimea from rightists about Russian language schools
Sure, it started as a sort of revolution, that usually brings some violence and changes. There were some more radical elements, particularly Right Sector. But compared to Bolsheviks they were quite peaceful, wouldn’t you say? Bolsheviks killed, what, 20 million counter-revolutionairies for having two pots instead of just one, lol, or for being Christian. Most of the dead are in Donbass, but I think if Russians (like Girkin/Strelkov) hadn’t gotten involved those people would have pretty much all lived. Maybe they would have learned Ukrainian in school instead of Russia but so what, in Moscow you learn Russian in school even if you are Ukrainian. There is a state language.
I refuse to hold Russia and all Russians, especially a century later, responsible for the Bolsheviks. It was something inflicted on the Russian body politic that had to be endured internally as well. The current Ukrainian government came to power in a coup and in a nationalist frenzy moved to make life miserable for the Russian minority. Those who could got away and some took thier territory with them. BTW, Ukraine is now moving on to make other minorities miserable too as witnessed in the ongoing dust up with Hungary. And Poroshenko’s criminal state is down to it’s last 800$million U.S. and begging for release of IMF funds. It couldn’t happen to a worse coup-monging fascist failed state. Good riddance and soon. Hello Julia..
in a nationalist frenzy moved to make life miserable for the Russian minority
Yes there was some blowback for, what, 70 years of occupation? Longer, depending on how you count. Again, it certainly was milder than what the Bolsheviks did to Ukraine in the 1920s and 30s. You might want to forget about that but Ukrainians sure haven’t.
And life wasn’t that miserable for the minority. I had a number of Russian friends in Odessa, most of their misery was caused by the economic collapse, and none that I can think of it that was caused by anti-Russian discrimination. They still speak Russian in Odessa, don’t worry :).
Ukraine fascist? I don’t think so. Nope, not at all. It is just a people who have been subject to various empires for centuries if not millenia trying to establish their own identity.
Frankly, as a conservative in US I am faced with similar issues. I don’t support all this gay marriage, transgender bathroom, massive immigration, etc., but I am forced to live with it. I am “oppressed”. But that does not make US fascist. It’s certainly an Empire but that’s another issue.
No, the U.S. is led by Corporate control freaks. Not sure but I think it’s an infection far harder to toss off than facism. And when Ukranians are marching in honor of Nazi sympathizers and restricting minority rights including minorites from Hungary too it’s a hard case to argue that they’re not at least facist lite.
conservative ? lol ,more like a NSA sockpuppet.
Wow, you really are incredibly stupid.
says the sockpuppet lol.
Says the guy who cites CNN fake news as source. lol.
Whatever, dude. No news source is 100% and they were right in that article. I know it’s hard for a simple mind to comprehend nuance. What’s your Oracle of Truth news source, genius?
CNN fake news is right. Lol .That is the worst joke I have read today.
Ur last paragraph makes lot of sense. I think if it is China at US present position it would be worsen cruelty. But not Russia because Russians are naturally not so bad guys at all.
Wasn’t flattened any more than Aleppo. https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/20/middleeast/raqqa-syria-isis-total-liberation/index.html
As to reconstruction, that’s a separate issue. My only point was Syrians/Russians are also destroying cities. Obviously US is not rebuilding Raqqa while Assad is in power. Russia did not rebuilding totally destroyed Grozny until they got their guy in power either. That’s the way war works, bud.
A war the U.S. started, in conspiracy with Sunni gulf states. To violate the UN Charter, encourage revolt on the territory of a founding state of the United Nations and smuggle weapons and money and new Toyota trucks to Islamists. And President Assad isn’t going anywhere. If an election for President were held in Syria tomorrow, Assad wins. And not by a little. And surely you know I’m not your bud.
Now you’re changing the topic, good, at least you admit you were wrong.
As to Syrian elections, I’m sure you know who would win as you’ve interviewed 3 million Syrians. LOL. Liar liar pants on fire :).
I’m not wrong about it at all. I am not going to respond to CNN articles and videos. It’s fake news approved by the CIA. And I’m not on Breitbart or any other American Exceptional webpage trolling you and your buddies while you’re talking about how great America is and who to assault next. You came to South Front to try and take something from people here, a place to congregate and therapy together about American inspired and led threats to the World. You made it your mission to take from others; how American.
I am not going to respond to CNN articles and videos. It’s fake news approved by the CIA.
LOL, so show me your pictures that show Raqqa more destroyed than Aleppo. Is that sort of like the blacks who are welcomed into Russia – another lie you spread like butter?
while you’re talking about how great America is and who to assault next.
Your lies never end, do they? Or maybe you can show me where I wrote that? You have a real difficulty with the truth, I see. It’s almost a complete stranger to you.
You came to South Front to try and take something from people here
Poor snowflake. You want your safespace back? Just block me. But there are lots and lots of lies and liars here, so what if I point it out sometimes? Go and keep dreaming about your black nirvana in Russia and how Syria/Russia don’t hurt a fly in Syria. LOL. Delusional much?
Russia is acting in accordance to an agreement with the lawful government in Syria. The USA is not. One side is existing within the International security framework and the other is not. You can pretend all you want but it doesn’t change reality. Only one side admits to creating quagmires until they get what they want and arms al-Qaeda, the other does not. We all know which side it is that you rationalize for, along with CNN and the dailymail, et all.
I’m not rationalizing US occupation of Syria. I’m disagreeing with you on specific points. Pay attention. You keep fabricating positions I have not taken. It’s really sad you feel the need to do that. I notice that is a pattern here on SouthFront comments.
Oh yes, you’re disagreeing with the factual notion that Aleppo is livable and Raqqa is not. Because you want to repeat the MSM lie of moral equivalency between Russia and Syria’s operation to free the Jihadist areas of Aleppo with the American razing to the ground of Raqqa in support of a different, if less offensive illegal insurgency. I understand your take on it, disagree with you, I reject your sources and reasoning and state that I am grateful that Aleppo is free and I feel for the people of Raqqa who suffer on long after their American led “rescue.”
Aleppo first of all was a smaller area, and second it is being rebuilt by Syria. So you have again changed the topic, which was, the scale of destruction, Clearly US is not rebuilding Raqqa, we can at least agree on that.
There is moral equivalency in terms of the violence to eliminate the jihadists. In fact in some cases Russia was more brutal than US – e.g. when bombing the ISIS oil convoys, US distributed leaflets warning the drivers, which many Russians laughed about while Russia just bombed the trucks. Well the drives are civilians and bombing their trucks is a war crime (targeting of civilians).
BTW CNN is not my “source”, I hate CNN, it was just first place I found pictures of Raqqa. I do believe those are pictures of Raqqa showing the destruction, and lack thereof, there, as they are consistent with other reports which I trust but didn’t want to spend more time finding.
I’m sure the relatives of the dead in Aleppo may not be as grateful as you. And maybe many Ukrainians would be happy if Ukraine leveled Donbass to free the area from “Russian terrorists”, which is how they view it. I guess that’s all part of the partisanship, huh?
Oh, Ukraine will try. And fail. The way forward in the Donbass is clear. The Minsk agreement requires that Ukraine pass the regions autonomy law. They refuse to do so. If the Donbass and Luhansk are not going to be part of the Russian Federation than the people there are going to insist on community safety and freedom from government and right sector reprisals. End of story and easy to understand. It comes down to the safety of their children, in the end. This conflict will end when Poroshenko is out and Timoshenko returns again, and executes a mandate to swallow pride and fufill the agreement. And Russia and Syria provided safe corridors for people to escape to. And if bombing ISIS trucks is a war crime (laughable) than when are the war crimes trials going to start for all the weddings bombed by American drones in four countries now?
Yes, Ukraine does not want to accept that Russia has invaded its territory and is supporting a civil war there. Exactly what you accuse the US of doing in Syria. But you are of course a 100% apologist for Russia, you will pick Russia’s side on everything, no matter how wrong. Me, I can admit US is wrong both in Ukraine and in Syria. But that does not make Russia right. Except you cannot admit it. You do not care about truth, or suffering, or anything you pretend to care about, you only care about Russia “winning”.
Anyway, have to run.
Oh no. There is no winning in the Donbass. And I understand Russia’s support there without actually agreeing with it. There is some question as to what would happen in both Luhansk and Donetsk if there were a Crimea type referendum. Not a clear cut case at all. What I am against is Russia being villified for actions that are mostly defensive and in support of an International system where people actually uphold their treaty obligations, to the letter. You know, not overthrowing governments, plotting regime changes, bombing people back to the Stone Age or pretending that there is an International Order while they violare the UN Charter and China and Russia’s legal right to have a say in what goes down via the UNSC.
Excellent debate.Ur stance is a representative of all the world oppressed people.
Thank you. It was the most lonely debate I’ve ever endured. I am close to concluding that digital life is hardly worth it. I’m thinking I need to go to Syria for a year and help rebuild a building, to try and help right where my wicked country has wronged. Planning and resources are underway. I appreciate your upvotes.
My wicked country?? U from Russia or USA? Love to see a person having so love and sympathy for fellow humans and humanity. Thanks a lot brother!
Oh sadly and shamefully I’m American. I do have a t-shirt though that says ” I wish i’d been born in Magnitogorsk.” And I do.
God bless you. You have a real sympathetic heart.I think many Americans are actually reasonable, peace loving people and not bloodthirsty. I like you and your way of thinking. Best wishes for you from Pakistan. I hope many and many people will be loving and working for the peace throughout this mother planet Earth.
Thank you. I wish you well. We can always hope.
It is worth it and the forces you despise are retreating slowly but surely. It may not seem like it, but the world is becoming a better place.
We do not need to find heaven as heaven has always been within reach. You enter heaven by creating heaven on earth. This requires us manifesting changes that will end this hell on earth which is no easy task but progress has been made
You say you have found pictures of Raqqa, and on CNN ! I have seen no pictures of Raqqa on any news outlet, back that up.
I put a link, can you click?
I see no link !
Search for CNN on this page and you fill find it!
“There is moral equivalency in terms of the violence to eliminate the jihadists. In fact in some cases Russia was more brutal than US – e.g. when bombing the ISIS oil convoys, US distributed leaflets warning the drivers, which many Russians laughed about while Russia just bombed the trucks. Well the drives are civilians and bombing their trucks is a war crime (targeting of civilians).”
Firstly the US never bombed ISIS oil convoys. These things roamed across the Turkish border until the Russians came in.Secondly these arent drivers. A driver driving known stolen oil from one country into another isnt just a driver but an accomplice to a crime. Dropping leaflets to ISIS “drivers” is like telephoning ISIS and telling them ” hey I have discovered your location and will be bombing in the next 30 minutes”..How dumb is that…
Firstly the US never bombed ISIS oil convoys.
You are 100% wrong. Here’s the pamphlets incident: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331503/US-military-drops-leaflets-warning-civilian-truck-drivers-45-minutes-airstrike.html
A driver driving known stolen oil from one country into another isnt just a driver but an accomplice to a crime.
So no civilians doing a job for the local government, even if it is an occupation government, are legitimate war targets? Wow, you are a disgusting human being. And a war criminal. And here we are told Russia feels sorry for those under terrorist occupation.
How dumb is that.
Spoken like a true war criminal!
“So no civilians doing a job for the local government, even if it is an occupation government, are legitimate war targets”.
Ok..So let me get that straight..ISIS in you estimation was local government..So the NAZI concentration camp guards were just doing their jobs right?A legitimate civilian police force?Then why the f*ck were they tried and are still being tried?
Are you an idiot?
“ISIS in you estimation was local government.” Yes, it was a caliphate. Are you following the news? It’s not unlike the Saudi government. Or maybe that’s not a government to you either and you can kill all the civilians in Saudi Arabia? Is that your point? Because you don’t like the government you can kill the civilians?
“Are you an idiot?” Do you feel the need to insult because you are so stupid?
No idiot the insult started when you compared me to a war criminal..what happened.. You have no defense
Wrong, idiot, you were advocating for war crimes so that makes you a war criminal. It’s stating a fact, not insulting.
So why were the NAZi concentration camp guards and doctors prosecute?
Irrelevant. You are claiming it would be OK to bomb the concentration camp inmates because you don’t like the guards. That’s why I used “war criminal”.
Nobody in war likes the other side’s government. That doesn’t make killing civilians OK. You’d think this is a difficult concept? WTF is wrong with you? So busy being an apologist your brain is frozen?
When you dont have a defense you trying to make it appear that you dont understand the point being made so let me ask again. If ISIS “drivers’ are civilians that shouldn’t be harmed, then were were German concentration camp guards and doctors prosecuted by the Americans? Or do you simply attribute the term civilian to those doing you dirty work?
The truck drivers were like the camp inmates. They were forced to work for ISIS. Just like Jews in Auschwitz were forced to work for Germans. If it’s OK to bomb the Syrians working for ISIS, then it would also be OK to bomb the Poles or Jews working for Germans. Is that your argument? That any civilian working for the government is a valid target? Yes, it is, and that’s why you are a war criminal.
No the drivers were not being forced to drive. Being a driver isn’t rocket science. Literally anybody could have driven these trucks. These “drivers” were not being forced. These were ISIS members
Of course they weren’t “ISIS members”. Why would ISIS drive commercial trucks? In Russia, do military drive all your commercial trucks there? That’s just stupid. Civilians drive trucks, takes no special skill.
But certainly when Russia started bombing the trucks, at this point it’s safe to assume people were forced to drive them. Because Russia like war criminal gives no warning, just bombs trucks.
I’ll consider your point of view legitimate when the people who bombed bridges and television stations in Serbia are brought to the dock to face war crimes charges. And so on. I could list American attacks on civilian infrastructure and personnel all day long.
Bridges are a valid target. TV stations, there are arguments on those if used for war propaganda – in any case every side targets those things in war. In the Georgian war, Russia targeted the Tbilisi International Airport. In Syria Russia has targeted schools and hospitals, bridges and roads, all the same stuff.
Oh – and civilian truck drivers. Let’s not forget :).
And no the US never bombed ISIS oil convoys before Russia stepped into the war.Notice how the article is dated November 2015, 2 months after the Russians intervened and had started destroying these convoys. Remember at the beginning how the the Americans were claiming targets destroyed by the Russians as having been destroyed by them?
“And no the US never bombed ISIS oil convoys before Russia stepped into the war.” Granted. But I never claimed that.
Yes you implied that by never giving a timeline..
Liar, where?
You implied the US was destroying oil convoys from the inception when you never gave a timeline. Try to keep up. Secondly are you saying that the US only started to see these mile long oil convoys only after Russia intervened?
What a joker
I didn’t imply any such thing. You are a liar.
LOL.. You did. Just like you are implying that NAZI camp guards were legitimate civilians..
I suppose I should correct my statement: either you are a liar, or just stupid. Or both. From that statement, I would also add “troll” as a possibility. So, you are one or more of: stupid, liar, troll.
Is that how you always react when people call you out for your lies?
No, that’s how I sometimes react to a liar, troll and/or idiot.
Which seems to be almost everyone on Southfront comment section that has engaged me in the last week, lol.
The fact is I don’t lie. But you sure do! A habitual liar at that.
He is seriously defending the Human rights of ISIS truck driving smugglers. Wow. And again citing the Russophobic UK presstitutes. Again, just wow. It’s onky okay for you, NWOD, because the Jihadi street gangs aren’t lording over your neighborhood, where your loved ones live, stealing your resources to pay for more weapons.
Yes, indeed. I thought Syrian/Russian governments claimed to care about civilians in opposition-held areas? As long as they don’t have a job, or if they have one, they are helping ISIS and kill them? That is war criminal mentality. It violates the Geneva Convention, like Russia did when it bombed those trucks. War crimes.
“citing the Russophobic UK presstitutes” – blah blah, the article was on the pamphlets, it was widely reported at the time, even in Russian news (except Russians made fun of it, they couldn’t understand why US was not a war criminal like Russia). My are you close-minded and petty.
“the Jihadi street gangs aren’t lording over your neighborhood” — what does that have to do with anything? I would as soon live under ISIS as live in China or Saudi Arabia. I don’t see much difference. That doesn’t mean I think it’s OK to kill Chinese truck drivers.
“stealing your resources to pay for more weapons.” – stealing? That’s what governments do. You may not like the Caliphate but it was the government there at the time. They taxed, they provided security, they enforced the laws, they provided food and hospitals. Just because you want to label them “terrorists” does not make them that.
Here again you are showing your utter lack of integrity. There was no reason for Russia to commit these war crimes and bomb these trucks without warning. Yet you defend it, like a war criminal would. This has nothing to do with Russia “being on the defensive”. This is you being EVIL.
I support the bombing of ISIS truck drivers, so I’m evil. Got it. People who fight against Jihadi violence are the real bad guys in this war? As I said the other day you have a polluted mind. In China you could watch a soccer game. Talk on your phone to your girlfriend. Eat noodles with a meat broth. Watch tv or play video games. In ISIS territory any of those activities or more gets you a death sentence. Fuel storage and transport is a legitimate target of war otherwise American submariners who torpedoed a lot of civilian vessels in the Pacific should have hung for evil war crimes, you know sinking this Maru and that Maru carrying fuel and food to the Empire. You have bipolar intelligence, smart and stupid all at the same time. A sad combination.
“In ISIS territory any of those activities or more gets you a death sentence.” That’s a bunch of BS. But Russia just kills them for having a job. That’s so much more civilized!
Your mind is not polluted, just evil. You have nothing on ISIS. Same mentality.
“Fuel storage and transport is a legitimate target of war”. Only fuel shipments for troops. Not civilian fuel shipments.
“American submariners who torpedoed a lot of civilian vessels in the Pacific” – uh, that part of the Geneva Conventions was not enacted until 1949. In any case, not sure to what civilians vessels you are referring.
You seem to be sad you are so evil and wrong so often. It’s within your power to change. You can make a fresh start. Christ will forgive you :).
German submariners incluxing their commander were charged with war crimes for attacking merchant ships traveling to and from the British Isles. The Germans subpoenaed American Pacific War commanders and in court proceedings lawyers for the German submariners asked specific questions like how Japanese merchant ships were targeted and were efforts made to distinguish between Japanese merchant ships carrying food and fuel for civilians as opposed to merchant traffic dedicated to the Imperial War machine. The Americans reposnded thusly: No, targeting of ships in Imperial convoys proceeded by methodology including the size of the target, it’s potential to carry volumes of supply to the enemy and tactical considerations like firing solutions and escape maneuvers. The Nuremberg Tribunal declined to convict stating in effect that individual commanders and commands cannot be expected to know and classify every individual targets ownership, cargo purpose and mission either in convoy or sailing alone. Thus, Syrian and Russian forces cannot reasonably be expected to know who is driving an individual ISIS truck engaged in pilfered oil trade, nor can Syrian and Russian commanders know how ISIS human resources managers (!) staff their trucking fleet. The oil enables warfare, benefits the enemy and is a legitimate target. It’s only in your own mind, without any legal precedent that Russian Aerospace Commanders or the Russian pilots are guilty of war crimes. Bring something better than that pathetic line of reasoning.
Nuremberg was some ultra-hypocritical trial by the winners. It really does not prove anything, as the main war crimes of German (crimes against the peace), for which Germans were executed, are now consistently committed by the US and others, and nobody is even charged with those crimes. But, in point of fact, Doenitz was charged with violation of the Naval Protocol of 1936 to which Germany acceded related to unrestricted submarine warfare. He was not charged with violation of the 1946 Additional Protocols as those has not yet been agreed or even proposed. So your case is entirely irrelevant.
Therefore, your alleged analogy of not “knowing” who is driving individual trucks is entirely irrelevant. Stay on topic. The Additional Protocols contain a presumption that civilians are used. See Articles 52 and 57.
All civilians “enable warfare” and all civilian work will “benefit the enemy”. The whole point of the Additional Protocols was to prevent targeting of civilians based on that “logic”. But for some people, I guess, being apologist for war crimes comes naturally, and caring about war crimes is a thine of “patheticness”.
And yet, the precedent stands. And it is the United States in the drone and tomahawk era which has attacked civilian infrastructure and people, repeatedly. Literally there isn’t an outdoor wedding from the Hindu Kush straight through to Southern Arabia where wedding parties and guests are safe from drone fired American missiles. But here you are going right past that to Russian pilots being war criminals for firing on ISIS vehicles. Good luck with that viewpoint as it’s going to be a futile and lonely perch, with no legal standing.
Targeting weddings, even more so than targeting civilian truckers, is clearly a war crime. But striking a wedding and targeting one are two different things. I actually don’t think US targets weddings, but rather they are “reckless” or “grossly negligent” in target validation. You’re certainly free to make the argument that targeting a terrorist’s home at night is a war crime since other family members are likely to be there but that’s not a clear line in the Geneva Convention, if you look at the legal nuances, though I’ve certainly made the case.
The truck convoy case is a clearer example of war crimes because there was not even a claim that the trucks were military targets or the drivers were terrorists or combatants. It was simply targeting the civilian economy and trade.
But since you will never ever ever admit that Russia can to anything wrong, you are just an apologist. For war crimes.
ISIS consists of mostly foreign fighters and are not legal combatants in any case as no country recognized ISIS as a state. But even besides that anyone driving a truck used to supply and provision a terrorist group is a conspirator to mass murder. Oh and President Putin just stated today that the ISIS formation in the South is holding some 700 hostages some of whom are Americans and Europeans. They are threatening to kill ten a day unless granted safe passage. You are way out on a limb here arguing that bombing ISIS assets are war crimes. Your argument as such represents for me nothing more than a MSM smokescreen to point the finger at Russia and shield America’s reputation from the light of actual war crimes.
no country recognized ISIS as a state
I don’t think so either but they were recognized as the de facto governing authority by everyone, including Syria. Calling them “terrorists” is also quite disingenuous, they do not fit any reasonable definition of terrorist. Though if you also call Israel a terrorist state you might be at least consistent. People also call Taliban terrorists, which also makes no sense (though they also clearly engage in war crimes).
But even besides that anyone driving a truck used to supply and provision a terrorist group is a conspirator to mass murder.
“Terrorist group” is just cheap propaganda. To prove “conspirator” you have to prove intent and a bunch of other things. I think they were just truck drivers who needed a job to feed their families; they were working to provide food for their families and communities. Obviously you are not sympathetic to them. That does not mean they don’t deserve protections of the Geneva Accords. If a free election were held in Syria where ISIS was allowed to run freely and have media attention and the like they would likely get significant votes too. Like Taliban would in Afghanistan. I don’t think Communists ever won an election, did they? In fact I find a lot of similarities between Bolsheviks and ISIS, except Bolsheviks were far, far, far more brutal. I’m no fan of Communism but I also don’t think it’s OK to bomb all commercial trucks in Communist countries under the theory they are “abetting terrorism”.
As to what Putin claimed about hostages, I have no reason to believe him, nor has he provided enough information to judge what is happening or who is involved. It’s just rather general propaganda. In fact I would be quite surprised if ISIS were holding and executing US citizens and US said nothing about it; it’s possible but I’d certainly need actual evidence, not some hard-to-believe story from Putin.
Your argument as such represents for me nothing more than a MSM smokescreen to point the finger at Russia and shield America’s reputation from the light of actual war crimes.
LOL, you are 100% dedicated to justifying Russia’s war crimes, I can tell, and you will fabricate anything you can to try to divert attention from that. Including making spurious allegations against me. Everyone knows what happened with the trucks. Whether it is a crime or not has absolutely nothing to do with me. Trying to smear me just shows your primitive mentality, and your total disregard for truth. Smearing is what pathetic, evil people do.
You typing in bold doesn’t make me take you any more seriously. And I find your accusations against Russian pilots that they are war criminals for targeting ISIS to be sick. And your entire persistent argument seems like just a MSM/American invasion of an AltMedia platform aimed at the demonization of Russia, her government and her people. That point of view is all the rage across Western media and government, so your advancement of it here is hardly refreshing or new. Lastly the targeting of an ISIS tanker truck could be considered a war crime, academically but not legally if the aim was to kill the driver rather than targeting the fuel. Academically, it would be impossible in an adversarial setting, even a mock trial to establish that a pilot targeted the cab and not the tanker. Absent a confession.
“You typing in bold doesn’t make me take you any more seriously.” It’s meant for emphasis. LOL, did you flunk first grade?
” I find your accusations against Russian pilots that they are war criminals for targeting ISIS to be sick.” This is the sign of a mad tyrant: accusing a criminal of a crime is “sick”, whereas murdering civilians is “honorable”. I think that sums up your morality pretty good so far.
“MSM invasion” And I guess you are also a paranoid conspiracy theorist.
Your attempt to split hairs over what you are targeting is irrelevant. Maybe if I blow up the car you are driving and then argue I was aiming for the car, not you, I am only guilty of property destruction, right?
I know your mentality. US is guilty of every possible crime that can be imagined against them, no matter how far-fetched, including that I am a CIA agent sent here to disrupt harmonious communications, but Russia is an angel that never does the slightest wrong, no matter how overwhelming the evidence. Did I sum that up right?
You came here not to debate but to berate. Whatever your motive the idea that fighting ISIS and targeting ISIS vehicles is tantamount to war crimes is a ridiculous argument and I reject it as BS. You are an ugly American and whatever your employ your goal is to disrupt a comments board of those who see and seek a different point of view to MSM baloney that Russia is bad and evil and America perfect. And my car in your scenario isn’t being used as a vehicle of commerce in support of a terrorist organization so any targeting of it would be a crime regardless any state of war or civil conflict. No way I ever accept your argument because I’ve paid attention as the United States of America has bombed and invaded one country after the next and violated any treaty they like.
And Russia standing up for herself or other countries doesn’t make Russia evil or bad. Just an annoyance to the USA hegemonists and their collaborators. And Russia’s real crime? Being an increasingly effective obstacle.
The berating is always started by you and your fellow Russian supremacists. Every time someone walks outside your narrow line of Russian supremacism you rush to attack, to destroy. You are yourselves the evil US Empire you imagine – aggressive, destructive, intolerant, abrasive. Wanting to eliminate all you cannot control. You are a hypocrite. You do not hate injustice, you just want to be the ruler of it. Look in the mirror, and you see a monster. But you are also a little crybaby who crawls under momma’s skirt when your bullying ways aren’t successful. In general I have absolutely no respect for you. Just another SouthFront intolerant troll and attempted bully. What you project onto America, is what you see in your own soul.
You are beyond commenting on news articles here on SF. You are here to push an Americanized agenda and disrupt. It’s in fact the very definition of trolling.
And please feel free to go to Russia and tell people that Russian pilots who targeted ISIS fuel trucks are war criminals. Say it loud and proud. But be sure to have someone film what goes down next, big mouth.
I have yet to encounter a Russian supremacist here. Russia is defensive and assertive, not aggressive or reckless. Russia is asking for the USA to honor the treaties and agreements that have been signed, and beyond that for harassment and bullying to cease. Bullying like at the UN regarding the breast feeding resolution. The Trump Administration tried to threaten and punish Ecuador for sponsoring a resolution affirming breast feeding but the U.S. objected on the grounds of Corporate profits, whatever. Russia had to step up and sponsor the resolution. That sums up as a metaphor the nature of each country here in 2018. Formula companies love to give young mothers free formula samples around the world and when the breast milk runs dry because of low use the ladies, including the poor are stuck with expensive formula bills. Who’s for that?USA! Who wasn’t? The Russian Federation. Who bullied, and who helped? That’s the real world that you are part of and helping to disguise.
You have yet to sum up anything right all day. But you sure managed to hijack an entire thread and paint yourself as an ISIS sympathizer as well as an American and Ukrainian apologist.
And as an American apologist you now defend ISIS and define Russian actions against them as war crimes. Laughable. Par for the course seeing how ISIS was created in part by the United States, armed by the U.S. safellite states and provided with resources and thousands of brand new Toyota trucks. Whenver ISIS gets in real trouble and are about to be overrun American helicopters show up and evacuate people. You and American NeoCons are all hysterical because Syria has won back most of her territory and Russia has been a big part of the muscle for that. You yourself want to taint that and paint it as something evil when in fact it has been a noble project helping to defeat a true evil and defend the rights of smaller states against the machinations and actual real war crimes of much larger ones.
And as an American apologist
I haven’t apologized for or whitewashed anything US has done. It’s you who’s the apologist, hypocrite, and Russian supremacist who glorifies Russian crimes, no matter how horrific.
You and American NeoCons are all hysterical You and American NeoCons are all hysterical
Whenever I think you have reached peak stupidity, you prove me wrong and exceed your past milestones.
You yourself want to taint that and paint it as something evil
I haeven’t even done that, you are fantasizing again. You have a great habit of attributing stuff to me that I never said or wrote. You are a troll, a liar, a fierce opponent of honor and decency, a defender of war criminals, a lover of evil.
You’ve gone ranting mad again. Do you need a referral to have your meds checked? The idea that Russian forces have committed war crimes by targeting ISIS vehicles is nonsense. And Americanized propaganda. American pilots targeted porters on the Ho Chi Minh trail. Most of what the porters carried were foodstuffs, blankets, boots, medical supplies, shovels, water purification chemicals, and only a third or so were weapons and ammunition. American pilots could not know who was a civilian Laotian or Vietnamese peasant or who was NVA, or the nature of what they ported yet still targeted them on the trail. As much as the war was based on a lie (Gulf of Tonkin) and was neocolonial and indefensible, It’s war. And you’ll stoop to any ridiculousness to villify Russia and win an argument. You have diarrhea of the mouth or here, your fingertips.
You are a seriously deranged lunatic. I even gave you a link to my Twitter page. What is my pinned tweet? A very critical documentary about the Vietnam War, with the text: “To understand the lies and false flags of the “West” and the psychopathic Evil that rules it, fake election after fake election, watch this Vietnam documentary.
Lies, lies and lies to justify brutal murder of millions of innocent civilians.”
Yet somehow, in your deranged lunatic mind, you convert this into me whitewashing US crimes in Vietnam.
I do not think it is possible to be dumber than you. A fucking low-IQ troll you are.
You can have the last, worthless word of lies and dishonor on which you pride yourself. But mostly you pride yourself on Russian crimes and evil. You are just a filthy supremacist. Your problem is not US crimes, but that it is US and not Russia committing them. You have no decency, no honor. Just a foul-mouthed supremacist. Bye-bye.
Russian evil? Like standing against ISIS and helping the victims of that group and others like it? Your point of view regarding that is despicable and desperate because Syria is winning over American sponsored terror groups. Are you an ISIS truck driver? You sound like a card carrying member of the ISIS teamsters union with such ridiculous statements in support of headchoppers.
And so exits the American war pig apologist who claims to criticize the United States but has spent the entire day here trashing Russia’s good name and even going so far as to claim that Russian missile strikes on ISIS oil trucks are war crimes. Pathologically trashing Russia’s good name, I should have said, and for what? Why? Becuase Russia has started to stand up to regime changers, International gangster murderers and even to modernize her strategic arsenal. Think of people like New World Order Dunce as an evil Uncle Sam, dressed in a ridiculous red, white and blue costume and having the sharpened teeth and evil face of the Jeeper Creeper. He and others like him are here on a mission to make Altviewpointers engaged in networking and sharing ideas as miserable as he can. It’s a mirror mission to the way news sites in the U.S. who report news not from a NATO stormtrooper point of view have been taken over, diminished, or driven underground.
A Little clarification is needed. Aleppo was a smaller area. Why would yoy say that. Its implying that the rebels did not shell the govvernment held areas all thos years…
US maneged not to damage tabqa dam, thank god.
All of Aleppo is not smaller than all of Raqqa, just the occupied portion was a small part of Aleppo, esp. if you consider the entire metropolitan area.
I didn’t imply anything about shelling.
U gave warning to those truck drivers because u want to save them.How funny that u r now providing safety to all their Toyota drivers because they are civilians.Now You are transferring those headchopping murderer civilians to other destinations to spread disasters chaos and terror.
And the Syrians and Russians are liberating Syrian cities from Jihadi street gangs. Syria has a responsibility to restore the social contract to people being held in their own communities against their will. Being held by mostly foreign fighters armed with American supplied weapons and with salaries being paid by the U.A.E.
I doubt the Kurdish groups are jihadi. Kurds have wanted their own state for a long time, they tried also in Iraq, they’ve tried in Iran, they’ve tried in Turkey. I don’t think it’s all bad to have a Kurdish state, if only Iran, Turkey, Iraq and Syria would let them. This is pretty much the fault of the French and English, after they slew the Ottoman Empire they made the borders to make divide/conquer easier. None of the borders make any sense, if you consider it was all one country before the post-WW I balkanization.
I don’t consider the Kurds as Jihadi. But they are an illegal armed group operating outside constitutional authority and conspiring with a foreign state. They are also operating and occupying ethnic Arab areas far outside the Kurdish geographical footprint. Lastly, what they’ve done is despicable considering that most Kurds in Syria are the children and Grandchildren of people given shelter by Hafez Al-Assad. Making the betrayal an act of backstabbing. Karma, we’re waiting…
they are an illegal armed group operating outside constitutional authority and conspiring with a foreign state.
That’s funny, that’s what Georgia says about S. Ossetia and Abkhazia. And what Moldova says about Transnistria. And what Ukraine says about Donbass and Crimea. Do you agree with this designation in those cases as well?
Making the betrayal an act of backstabbing
A true Russian partisan! Will take any ridiculous position to that end! Got it.
It doesn’t really matter what Georgia says about Abkhazia or South Ossetia. What matters is that Georgia attacked South Ossetia in violation of an International peacekeeping agreement. Russia didn’t cause Ossetians and Abkhaz to dislike Georgians and not want to be a part of the Georgian state. That happened a long time ago before Russia ever got there. You are again creating false equivalences. The U.S. didn’t inherit some long ago conflict between Kurds and Syria. Or anyone and Syria. The U.S. and some of her satellites decided to overthrow Syria’s government for reasons all their own and began stirring up trouble, smuggling weapons and providing support. It’s not the same situation at all. A true American apologist, will take any position to that end! Got it too…
What matters is that Georgia attacked South Ossetia in violation of an International peacekeeping agreement.
I suppose that makes sense, if you conveniently leave out how that peacekeeping agreement came to be.
That happened a long time ago before Russia ever got there.
And Kurds wanted their own state long before the US got there.
You are again creating false equivalences.
No, you are drawing non-sensical distinctions.
The U.S. didn’t inherit some long ago conflict between Kurds and Syria.
LOL, the only conflict is Kurds want their own state and Syrians refuse to give it to them. Which is the same conflict in Georgia and S. Ossetia or Abkhazia. No matter how you want to spin it. It’s all about one group not wanting to be ruled by a different group. Like Chechens not wanting to be ruled by Russia. Or Crimeans by Ukraine. It’s all the same, though they are also all (in unimportant ways) different.
A true American apologist, will take any position to that end!
Again, you are projecting. You are the great Russian apologist. I don’t apologize for US being there at all, and again you misrepresent my position. Because that is the only way you can “win” in your head. Just misrepresent and argue with a straw man. Sad, really.
The Kurds want their own state and Syria won’t give it to them. The Kurds want their own state and NO one will give it to them, not Iraq, not Turkey and surely not Iran. It would be like the USA giving Texas back, because, you know, Mexico wants it.
Again, the same exact thing can be said about Crimea, S. Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, Donbass. But your double standard continues unabated. B/c you are an apologist.
As usual you sidestepped the entire point. But in the end Turkey will show and tell it to the Kurds in Syria and you’ll understand too. The Kurds are a small population in Syria and Turkey will not allow them to form a long term de facto state. The Syrian government is the least of their problems.
I’m an apologist in the sense that Russia’s actions I view as defensive and assertive as opposed to American/French/British actions since 1991 which I view as aggressive and on the offensive. You seem to want a World where Russia remains strictly within the rules whilst the Western powers help themselves. Russia believed in the New World, circa early 1990’s. It’s the West who violated the UN Charter, repeatedly. In Panama. In Haiti. Bombing Serbia without a UN resolution to forcibly seperate Kosovo. In the Iraq disgrace (Yandex Robin Cook’s House of Commons speech.) Russia didn’t even forcibly move outside her state borders until South Ossetia in 2008, and again that was defensive. In South Ossetia and Abkhazia, as well as Crimea, Russia’s actions to recognize independnce and to absorb Crimea do fall outside Treaty Rules, but these acts came at the end of a long series of Western violations and were/are defensive, assertive. Russia’s actions in Syria firmly remain inside the UN Charter and continue to be assertive, defensive. Which is a far cry from the actions of others there in support of insurgency which violate Syria’s rights under the UN Treaty and are aggressive and offensive.
“You seem to want a World where Russia remains strictly within the rules whilst the Western powers help themselves.” No, I like to discuss with people who are honest and genuine with integrity.
I’m sympathetic to Russia’s position, don’t get me wrong. If you want to see more of my politics, this is me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SonnenTanzer/with_replies
But truth is truth. Even if it hurts a little.
Also I keep in mind that Russia is more defensive now due to its relative weakness. I know how large the Muscovy Duchy was. And how large Russia became in 1945. This is why I also think if the tables were reversed, and it is US/W Europe that had collapsed in 1991 instead of USSR/E Europe, then this situation would also be reversed.
I also think if China ever becomes the superpower it will be a LOT worse than US is now. That does not excuse what US is doing, it just means, US could be a lot worse if it wanted to be. And many other countries would be.
There is nothing related to integrity when it comes to comparing Russia’s actions post 1991 and the acts of the West. One side wants and asks for binding rules on all and security for everyone while the other side wants rules but only rules for others, not themselves. And weakness, under the UN charter should mean squat. Collective International Security and respect for one another and budding out of other people’s internal affairs was to be for everyone, not just the strong. The fact that Russia and the USA are now in tension and conflict is because Russia isn’t as weak as she was before and is standing up, assertive and defensive, and tons of people don’t like it. And so Russia must now be villified and her actions distorted.
One side wants and asks for binding rules on all and security for everyone while the other side wants rules but only rules for others, not themselves.
Yes, but it’s not that extreme (and also what every government does) – US also provides security to many other countries. If Russia were the sole superpower it would act no differently, probably worse.
And by integrity I mean in discussion. You make a lot of claims against US, but not the same ones against Russia. So you are doing the very same thing that you are condemning (i.e., US has to live by rules, and is bad for not doing so, but Russia does not), which makes you a hypocrite. And that means no integrity.
I feel comfortable condemning both US and Russia for when each violates the law or acts hypocritically.
And weakness, under the UN charter should mean squat.
Actually the entire UN structure is to the contrary – the UNSC is composed of the (then in 1945) most powerful countries, and only they get a voice. And again, Russia feels free to beat up on its weaker neighbors too. That’s reality. It happens inside every country too – despite laws of equality, whether in China, Russia or US, the strong (rich) pray on the weak (poor). It’s like this everywhere.
The fact that Russia and the USA are now in tension and conflict is because Russia isn’t as weak as she was before and is standing up, assertive and defensive, and tons of people don’t like it. And so Russia must now be villified and her actions distorted.
True. Great Power politics. If I could change US behavior I would, but unfortunately I have no power whatsoever in US :). And mainly it’s Jews in US that hate Russia (just like they hate Assad and Iran), and it is them driving most of this conflict. If you want to find an enemy look there (particularly Russia Jews, incl. the ex-oligarchs), it’s more fertile ground than Americans. Most Americans want to be friends with Russians, it’s the ruling elite, again, lots of Jews there, who create the conflict.
Whatever. You refuse to accept the point that Russia is now operating in a new status quo created by the United States. Unilateral good behavior, like unilateral disarmament, is both stupid and suicidal. Russia bears far less culpability in merely successfully returning the serve that the U.S. hit into their side of the court. It’s not hypocrisy, it’s identifying cause and effect. Drawing lines and saying this far, no farther doesn’t create an equivalency, even if some of Russia’s actions lead outside a UN charter that other powerful states have been disregarding for some time now.
Partisan apologetics. In some cases I have sympathy, like I wrote before, but bombing truck drivers without warning? That is pure evil. Not like the trucks aren’t sitting ducks. Easy enough to warn the drivers to get out.
But Noooooooooooooo! Yet you make excuses anyway. That’s just evil. And you’re a hypocrite.
No, cold hard reality. U.S: we overthrow who we want, even right on Russia’s border but Russia needs to stay within the rules. Russia reponds, protecting ethnic Russians and denying American access to Crimean military bases and along comes people like you claiming some equivalent degree of culpability. Both countries violated the letter of the “law” but only one side kicked off the chain of events, in a hybrid war of their design and the U.S. Under Secretary of State even brought cookies and chose the next Prime Minister. There is no equal blame for who is driving International relations into conflict and chaos. There is offensive and aggressive, and there is defensive and assertive. Most of the world has a pretty clear picture as to who they assign to each role.
“U.S: we overthrow who we want, even right on Russia’s border but Russia needs to stay within the rules.” Russia would be exactly like this if it could – and always was exactly like that when it could Russia has no moral high horse in general. But I’ve noted many times, US being far more powerful now, it gets to serve and Russia gets to play defense. But Russia is till trying to interfere where it can. If it could overthrow Mexico’s government, do you think it would not? If Russia hadn’t squandered it’s relationship with Ukraine, US could have never pulled off the “coup” (I actually don’t think US did the coup part, that was maybe Poland, but probably just Ukrainian oligarchs doing that, like Kolomoisky, the Jew Nazi, lol). It’s natural for any country to wish to weaken its enemies.
So the Jew Nuland brought cookies. Big deal. Yanukovych let her. He could have said no.
Really the coup is Yanukovych’s fault, he should not have let the occupation of Independence Square and government buildings continue. He did it because he was very corrupt and had “stolen” money in Western banks and was afraid of losing it.
And btw Russia is all for Security Council reform. Russia backs both Brazil and India being added as permanent members, the U.S. does not. Last week, for the third time since the whole Russiagate election interference thing was spun as some big deal Russia again asked the United States for an ironclad agreement that each would remain strictly outside the internal affairs of the other. The United States dismissed the offer, again. Really, enough said.
Also, I don’t do Twitter. And neither should you. GAB is a great alternative. You say you don’t like having elements of SJW world being forced on you by the Courts but you continue to participate in a platform that is censoring people with the wrong kind of opinions? Be like Russia, be assertive and defensive and decline to pretend that what Twitter has done and is doing is in any way okay.
Yeah, but GAB is not really an alternative. It’s too radical with “free speech”, you have really racist hateful people and calls for genocide and the like. It’s never going to catch on. There needs to be a nice balance that is civilized but does not discriminate based on ideology.
I dropped Google and FB already, Twitter is harder to give up as I still get all the news I usu. read there (Drudge, Zerohedge, Southfront, RT, Sputnik, Xinhua, NY Times, etc.). I don’t even think these are all on GAB, last I checked it was very small population.
There are lots of racists, to be sure. But you can have meaningful conversations on GAB too. I just ignore the elements I find offensive and celebrate that everyone can participate, not just the officially approved points of view. What, if anything have you replaced Google and Facebook with?
Duckduckgo. FB -> nothing, I don’t like the whole “share your life with the world” thing. I have a personal website I can use to share info with friends/relatives.
Still stuck with Google on Android (though I try to restrict as much as I can data sharing with Google). But it’s pretty much a duopoly with not much difference between them – I have to have a smartphone for my work.
” Russia did not rebuilding totally destroyed Grozny until they got their guy in power either.”…
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Russia’s fight in Chechnya was an internal affair. Chechnya is part of Russia. The rebuilding Of Chechnya took place when terrorist there had been annihilated. Raqqa isn’t part of the US and the US has no business in Syria nor Raqqa. If in the process of eliminating terror the SAA or the invited Russians caused collateral damage thats understandable.Syria belongs to Syrians.But what is the US doing thousands of miles away from the its borders destroying Syrian cites? The US was never invited into Syria…
“Chechnya is part of Russia” So Russia was bombing it’s own people. That makes it so much better! Thanks for clarifying.
“The rebuilding Of Chechnya took place when terrorist there had been annihilated.” And by terrorist you mean the population of Chechnya, who wanted independence. Just call them terrorists and it’s all good. Like the people in Donestk and Lugansk. Terrorists!
“If in the process of eliminating terror the SAA or the invited Russians caused collateral damage thats understandable” You mean in the process of eliminating separatists. Russia murdered 200,000 Chechens, about one-third of the Chechen population. Sure, call them terrorists, then you can feel good about killing all those people! Fabulous!
No propagandist, the Russian were fighting terror in Chechnya. Western backed terror. A legitimate cause.collateral damage kills civilian unfortunately. Dare to explain the 2 million Iraqis killed by the US for no reason whatsoever?
No, propagandist, Russia was fighting separatism in Chechnya and murdered 1/3rd of the population to prevent Chechyan independence. Nobody believes your lies. Everyone knows a Muslim country does not want to be ruled by a Communist or Christian country. And everyone knows Chechnya never ever ever wanted to be part of the Russian Empire. You can lie all you want it does not change facts.
US was 100% wrong to attack Iraq. But it wasn’t for “no reason”, it just wasn’t a valid reason (the only valid reason is self-defense).
what reason was that non valid reason?
You mean the second Gulf war? You can look that up yourself, not interested in discussing the Iraq war. But in general all wars not in self-defense are the same reason: the attacking party does not like the other party. It pretty much boils down to that, in every case.
ok.. How convenient..Why.. Because it makes the US appear bad?
Because I don’t want to discuss any random topic you pick, asshole.
The Iraq war is not a random topic. It is part and parcel of everything there that is being discussed. the slaughtering of civilians in Raqqa by the US is like the slaughtering of civilians in Iraq for no reason I may say. So again I will ask; Is it because the Iraq war makes the US a appear bad?
But the attacking party seems to be the same cast of characters over and over again. You just refuse to admit who it is exactly who plunged the post cold war world into violence and chaos, based not on the agreed upon International order as provided by Treaty but instead based on who is the strongest and Lord of the Flies.
All these wars existed before USSR collapsed. You know how many wars there were between 1945 and 1991? And USSR was as involved as anyone – including political, economic and military interference (none of which is permitted under the UN charter). Even the Warsaw Pact uprisings saw USSR tanks crush them.
Don’t pretend US is only bad player. Everyone who has the power is a bad player to the extent of their power. I have yet to see the most powerful country on the planet be peaceful. Maybe you can teach me something there? :)
Yes, to a large extent international relations is not law-based. Because there is nobody to enforce it. But a global government would be worse – than everyone is a slave. Until people become more enlightened … good luck with that.
I often think about a revolution in the US but there is a real danger (n fact most likely outcome) it would just get worse.
“Everyone knows a Muslim country does not want to be ruled by a Communist or Christian country.” Firstly Chechnya is not a country but part of Russia. Secondly you are saying that any ethnic or religious group that feel that they dont belong to a mother country because they are a religious or ethnic minority should resort to terror and demand independence. Are you reading what you are writing?
Only a very small number resorted to “terror”. And the “terror” only started after Russia started a war. Yeltsin invaded after separatists stormed a Communist meeting. Ironically, Yeltsin himself used tanks to attack Russia’s Communist parliament, lol.
You just call anyone that wants to fight for independence a “terrorist” if you oppose independence and a “freedom fighter”: if you support it, like in Donetsk, right? Well many people have this double-standard, they are partisans, they care only that their side “wins”. But it is lies and propaganda.
As to “Muslim country”, Chechnya was independent before Russia conquered it. It has tried to achieve independence many times since. It has never accepted being part of Russian Empire. Russians just always oppressing and occupying Chechnya.
People arent stupid anymore. The separatist movement in Chechnya just like the protest movement in Syria may have been genuine . we will never know but when agent of the west are paid to cause trouble , resort to terror then the government of the day has to act.
No, Russia didn’t have to start a war. It could have done like Crimea: have a referendum, run by the Russian government. That was the right thing to do in Crimea, right? Why not in Chechnya? But Russia chose instead to start killing people.
But when Ukraine does that in Donetsk, Ukraine is evil. Right? Even when Russian “volunteers” like Girkin/Strelkov show up to lead the war against Ukraine?
wow.. Chechnya was part of Russia when the war started. Crimea was part of Ukraine before the people voted to join Russia…Are you getting this?
LOL, yes, Chechnya was part of Russia, but no referendum and start killing is good, according to you.
Crimea was part of Ukraine but referendum first was good, right?
Donetsk is part of Ukraine but no referendum and start killing is bad, right?
So do you see the inconsistency there? Well, you are consistent on only one thing: whatever Russia does is “right”. You are partisan/propagandist.
I will stop being partisan right after you explain the killing of a 2 million Iraqis for no good reason
Only 2 million? Surely it was 200 million! At least! Maybe 6 billion!
Umn, Russia actually parted with Chechnya once. Yeltsin called time out and pulled back. The extremist Chechen leadership, with CIA sponsored advisors, went on to invade Dagestan and perpetrate attacks elsewhere in Russia. That’s what led to the Prime Ministerial leadership of Vladimir Putin and the end to Chechen independence de facto or otherwise.
Yes a peace treaty was signed after the First Chechen War. There was no “parting” as Chechnya was not granted independence, though de facto Moscow’s influence was greatly reduced. And yes, some Chechen fighters (two warlords) attacked Dagestan in 1999, though the Chechen government was not really to blame for that (it wasn’t very strong – one of the several negative results of Russia’s devastating First Chechen War). But the “attacks elsewhere” (apartment bombings) did not happen until after Russia invaded Chechnya again in Aug. 1999, and were allegedly in retaliation therefor. The Dagestan invasion was quickly defeated, with the invaluable help of Dagestani police and civilians, but the Second Chechen War continued for 10 years.
Trolls alike NWOD didn’t read !
To know what about you are talking, Just read Hadji Mourad – Léon Tolstoï
History always serve the same dishes !
The war and what it was is very well descriebed in several good versions. No need to go back to Tolstoj.
I have done some ´winterreading too. Solsjenitzin is more updated to me. Tolstoj is fine.
Your definition of whats Russian and not certainly should be defined by votinng about it. Did they ever. They were taken by force and the whole area was turned upside down.
And yes, I agree in his comments. They make a lot of sense. Chechenia was not treated as a part of USSR at all but killing ants. I do agree mulisms there did terrible things and sometimes worse then the Russians.
But where is the pondus as runner of the country in this = Gone.
You are highly manipulated Yourself. Its well known the Russians 2 times has deported all Chechenians and made every part into Sovkos and Kolchoses. They never asked for that.
Like a lot of other territiry there in the Caucasus region, it was taken by hard force from about 1820 to 1880. Grosnij is made as a military and traffic strongpoint to contral that.
So if You see it like that, those local muslims had every reason to try to see the light. Descriebing them as terrorists is totally wrong. You say, that if the USSR will attack that point of veiw, they are not allowed to call for help – any kind.
I saw the same for Bosnia. When there could be no local selfrule and none helped the, they called in Al Qaida and got a lot of saudi family money to it.
So what happend was, that USSR made the contrast and the escalation in extremisme. True some were normal hard criminels as well. But thats what they have. Miafias are well organized people too.
And You ignore there was a Checenia war 1 and 2. Russia/USSR had all the time they needed to find things somewhere in the middle.
Here You also igore, that west kind of traded by getting a lot back to the rest of the world and manybee mainly Estonia, Latvia and Lituania.
You also ignore a lot of other countries raised from the Russian dirt of communisme collapese.
Much is that is ignored by You even its trúe the area was develloped by the russians. But was it for the people there ? NOT AT ALL.
More like for oil.
If you had one fuck bit of an idea of what Teip culture of Chechnya and how Chechen society was based on thievery ,murder,sex slavery for centuries you wouldn’t be talking this gibberish. There was a large scale genocide and ethnic cleansing of Russian population(over 40,000 killed) in Chechnya under Ex-Sovok General Dudayev who was on the payroll of Adnan Kashoggi and the CIA.Over 20,000 Russian women were forced into sex slavery in 1991-94 under dudayev.
Good ol Adnan again today…what a coincidence.
You should read Hadji Mourad – Léon Tolstoï !
All the Chechnya mess was organized by CIA/NATO/Turk Proxies, almost none differences with Syria, and I do believe it’s the main reason why Russia-China went in Syria. The purposes was to avoid to see all US proxies sawing mess and Death in Central Asia, in-between Caucasus and Oriental Turkmenistan-Xinjiang(Ouïgours)
The world is not like that anymore and has not for many years and ever will be.
And again a parrot rhetorics of the worst. What is USA doing there. You have that in big letters many times, and dney aný facts about it.
Russia also demines.everything right away. Last time i checked that was not the case in Raqqa.
Yes, the US has made precious few efforts to rehabilitate and reconstruct Raqqa. Its’s a terrible situation. For now prior residents are still warned to stay away. This seems to be part of the strategy of opposing any “reconstruction” until a political settlement is reached.
Raqqa has been damnaged a lot, but not worse then others.
And I do recall they now have water, electricity, some puclic facilities as well as a bridge.
And why could and would SDFs “pivot”. Well, they got more and more arabic joiners, which also were relatives to it. Whats wrong in that.
Where was Asssads in that. Did Assads help them ? No, they did not.
Most of the refugees from the SDF zone already was refugees in Turkey before Kobane. Blame SDFs and americans for, what they have done.
And who is closing almost all help down to that SDF zone. Well thats Assads as well as turks. They do their best to give SDFs no chance afraid of it might be some succes.
You ignore that too.
Whatever. I suppose you are on the ground there? Do share pictures. The Russian MOD says differently and I’ll believe them long before I give any weight to what a NATO loving troll like you says. On second thought don’t share pictures. Just go away back to NATO lovers webpages.
The history of Raqqa is very well descriebed in many sources during time.
https://www.aai.uni-hamburg.de/voror/personen/heidemann/medien/heidemann-citadel-al-rafiqa-2006-s.pdf
Very strange You refer to Russian sources. They were a part of the renewed Raqqa by building dams, making electricity, pumping systems for irrigation and re-urbanisation of Raqqa with the (many) big and small factories. That includes the famous slow train connection along the river and Assad Dam.
Ricky, you’re wasting time with this creature. He’s not trying to advocate what US does because he realizes that you’re not average brainwashed westerner and it would not work. Instead this shameless creature is trying to say that Russia’s actions in Syria are the same as US atrocities. Picking “facts” out of context and shamelessly twisting facts here and there he’s trying to “win” the argument. He doesn’t care about actual truth – this word has no meaning for homo sapiens with demonic psyche structure http://www.conceptualpower.com/en/home/about-cps-in-brief#demonic-psyche-structure This is why I think there’s no point in lengthy debate with his kind – it is enough to state the truth but it is not necessary to try to prove it to him. He knows that he’s lying and arguments would not change his behavior other than he will lie more.
I agree. It’s mostly been an exercise in frustration, which probably pleases him to no end. I just don’t understand why he’s here, on the comments. There are people I despise and points of view I despise but I don’t go comment on a site centered around their point of view trying to ruin the experience. I respect that other people need their space and leave it at that. The inability to respect others space and leave them be represents American foreign policy in a nutshell so maybe he’s here as a gift from the universe to remind us what we’re fighting against.
Sure, group-think and identity politics are the solution to the world’s problems. Heaven forbid there be debate. Surely the internet was not meant for that!
Lots of projection here. I’d say 100%.
You’d lie 100%. Get lost, snake. I know what you are.
Facts are 12 milion people are not at home Aleppo or not. Thats the facts.
Facts are that Aleppo is recovering and it’s people have rallied to the government’s cause. And feel free to NOT binge respond to my posts. Go away and take your love of all things Neo-Colonial along with you.
Raqqa ~ 1500/60000 civilians, Aleppo offensive, ~1000/1500000 civilians. Different game.
You are counting the entire population of Aleppo, not just the occupied areas. Also were are you getting your statistics? I don’t believe the ones you have given at all, neither population nor casualties, I think you just made them up.
True, sorry. Then you have around 200,000-300,000 in the area of east aleppo that was occupied for most the battle. The figures are from wikipedia – which is not exactly a pro Assad source.
Yep you are right, sorry, for the most part the siege had around 300,000 civillians. So closer to 8x for the US. Figures are wiki for deaths, so not exactly a pro government source! If you consider how the only “humanitarian” corridor in Raqqa was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4KLrQKJn3c, it kinda adds up.
Europeans mainstream medias are owned and run by Zionist Khazar Ashkenazi Jews, but shouldn’t forget Russian Culture is part of Europe and still Admired
Do what happened in Germany will happened in the US for the same weird Culture reason… ?
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89% of our Senators and Congress hold dual citizenship citizenship with Israel
March 21, 2018 by IWB
89% of our Senators and Congress hold dual citizenship citizenship with Israel we are in Syria because of Israel ask yourself who is the real traitors to the country sacrificing American soldiers for the benefit of foreign country.
Corporate U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives that are Israel Dual Citizens
govbanknotes.wordpress.com/2017/06/07/us-senators-and-us-representatives-that-are-israel-dual-citizens/
Here is a list of US politicians who have dual US/Israeli citizenship. Note the head banking and policy advising positions.
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
Jack Lew – Chief of Staff to the President; Treasury Secretary
David Plouffe – Senior Advisor to the President
Danielle Borrin – Associate Director, Office of Public Engagement; Special Assistant to the Vice President
Gary Gensler – Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission
Dan Shapiro – Ambassador to Israel
Gene Sperling – Director National Economic Council
Mary Schapiro – Chairwoman of the Securities and Exchange Commission
Steven Simon – Head of Middle East/North Africa Desk at the National Security Council
Eric Lynn – Middle East Policy Advisor
PAST OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
Rahm Emanuel (2009-2010) Chief of Staff to the President
David Axelrod (2009-2011) Senior Advisor to the President
Elena Kagan (2009-2010) Solicitor General of the United States
Peter Orszag (2009-2010) Director of the Office of Management and Budget
Lawrence Summers (’09-’11) Director National Economic Council
Mona Sutphen (2009-2011) Deputy White House Chief of Staff
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James B. Steinberg (’09-’11 ) Deputy Secretary of State
Dennis Ross (2009-2011 ) Special Assistant to the President, Senior Director for the Central Region to the Secretary of State
Ronald Klain (2009-2011) Chief of Staff to the Vice President
Jared Bernstein (2009-2011) Chief Economist and Economic Policy Advisor to the Vice President
Susan Sher (2009-2011) Chief of Staff to the First Lady
Lee Feinstein (2009) Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor
Mara Rudman (2009) Foreign Policy Advisor Sources: White House
112 CONGRESS (current)
THE US SENATE [13]
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Benjamin Cardin (D-MD) Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Al Franken (D-MN) Herb Kohl (D-WI) Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) Joseph Lieberman (Independent-CT) Carl Levin (D-MI) Bernie Sanders (Independent-VT) Charles Schumer (D-NY) Ron Wyden (D-OR) Michael Bennet (D-CO)
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES [27]
Gary Ackerman (D-NY) Shelley Berkley (D-NV) Howard Berman (D-CA) Eric Cantor (R-VA) David Cicilline (D-RI) Stephen Cohen (D-TN) Susan Davis (D-CA) Ted Deutch (D-FL) Eliot Engel (D-NY) Bob Filner (D-CA) Barney Frank (D-MA) Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) Jane Harman (D-CA) Steve Israel (D-NY) Sander Levin (D-MI) Nita Lowey (D-NY) Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) Jared Polis (D-CO) Steve Rothman (D-NJ) Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) Allyson Schwartz (D-PA) Adam Schiff (D-CA) Brad Sherman (D-CA) Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) Henry Waxman (D-CA) Anthony Weiner (D-NY) John Yarmuth (D-KY)
And that’s just the democrats! I’m sure the republicans are just as bad if not worse, but it seems harder to find information on. Here’s another list: american3rdposition.com/?p=12767
Here’s an explanation of how this used to not be allowed, then the law was changed, and also points out many big-name dual citizenship holders in the Bush and Clinton administrations: http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
Why is this allowed? It is not allowed for regular US citizens to have dual citizenship, is it?
I think this type of thing is allowed because “Israel first” Zionists essentially own our government, which is because the Rothschilds own the central banking system and have money creation powers and they promote Zionism. So you play by their rules, or you don’t get big money access. This is why most industry monopolies are headed by Zionists. It’s not a random chance thing that the tops of most all industries are super gung-ho about Israel. This is also why they get the most aid, and why they have the biggest lobbying groups.
And to be clear, I’m not talking about Jews, half of whom reject zionism. I’m talking about the ideological belief system, that says the Israeli government deserves to own Mt. Zion, aka that Palestine needs to be removed and regional security for Israel needs to be ensured in the middle east. Obama is a Zionist, Biden is a Zionist. Bush is a Zionist. So is Hillary, and Trump, as their AIPAC speeches showed quite clearly.
These big bankers need to stop being able to pull everyone’s strings, but that won’t stop until people realize their money creation abilities are based on legal narratives that come from false hopes and the false appearance of authority. The government should be able to create its own money, not borrow from a private bank in a debt-based money creation system where there will always, mathematically, be more debt owed than money exists, which gives them power over the government because they are the debt collectors.
The whole thing is an absurd farce to anyone who sees the truth of it.
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” – Henry Ford
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4zm640/why_do_so_many_us_politicians_have_dual_usisraeli/?st=jf1r0ugy&sh=17467c91
89% of our Senators and Congress hold dual citizenship citizenship with Israel …. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Benjamin Cardin (D-MD) Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Al Franken (D-MN) Herb Kohl (D-WI) Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) Joseph Lieberman (Independent-CT) Carl Levin (D-MI) Bernie Sanders (Independent-VT) Charles Schumer (D-NY) Ron Wyden (D-OR) Michael Bennet (D-CO)
First of all this is only 13, or 13% of the Senate (having 100 Senators). Al Franken resigned this year and was replaced by a non-Jew. Barbara Boxer retired last year. Herb Kohl retired in 2013. As did Frank Lautenberg. Well, in general, this is old. There are currently 10 Jewish Senators, or 10% – still 5 times their occurrence in the population, but far short of 89%.
Hated silently by all, damages are done, just wait for the coming Boomerang…
” 89% of our Senators and Congress hold dual citizenship citizenship with Israel”
When someone sees you post unsubstantiated – in fact , impossible – crap like that , you’ve lost all credibility. I gave a moment’s thought to reading your long posts above , but that moment was gone when I saw this.
But so, an exaggeration. And yet the thirteen he mentions does seem like an awful high number of Senators who may have a conflict of interest in providing oversite in American policy regarding Israel. It may or may not help explain how Israel has maintained a funding stream from the U.S. treasury to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars even as the American electorate have soured on foreign aid. His point remains.
I agree on the main point about dual-nationals. I think there should be zero percent in elected office or in the military , intel agencies , etc. You pledge loyalty to both countries , but when push comes to shove you’re going to choose one over the other.
Still , the “exaggeration” is totally off the wall , it’s not even close. It’s fake news territory.
Even the 10 there now aren’t dial citizens, at least not all of them. Though they are all Jew supremacists no doubt.
The worst branch is the Supreme Court, it is 33% Jewish, and that’s assuming you don’t count the Jesuits (another 1/3rd) as Jewish. There’s no Protestants on the Supreme Court.
Worst of all is the mass media, that’s almost all Jewish controlled.
I think you could make a reasonable case that 89% of Congress acts AS IF they were dual citizens.
Maybe even higher.
Hah, that might be 100%.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/AP544809263004.jpg
I consider all those bastards traitors for that groveling display.
Look at McShitStain – “Oh, you picked me, you picked me”, he’s swooning.
McCain doesn’t bug me so much any more , now that he’s dead.
If he would’ve just died a long time ago , I could have grown to like the guy.
They are loyal to their country. Thats wrong too ?
Whats next. They should pray for Putin, Erdogan, Assad or even the Saudis 5 times a day.
Its an internal election for and by 325 mio inhabitants of their own.
Of course it dont count they are good ones having the same education.
Countries do know that dilemma and its a choise adding and subtracting.
We have/had it for communists. They only could come higher in our system up to a limit. In defence and military matters, they were kept out in the most important things.
Its not citicenship, but we also have non danes can vote for local elections after 3 years. They use local things like us like schools, medical care and public transportation.
I THINK IT AGAIN IS TOTALLY WRONG FOCUSING ON US/ISRAEL, when the double in many countries. Again: Where a the facts apart from the infame is only for them.
And is it for You to decide. I dont think so.
Well, how many members has the Congress and Senate ?
Senat + Congress are 435 members. So 13 of 435 , Thats 3 % running the rest.
And You go on with the babling non sense in the dirty not even wask´hing their mouths every friday muslims.
And true. They as many jews has influence. You see the same in other cultures as well as in Ottomans: I Your parent raise You to learn, You can go to school, educate Yourself and be well paid by skills and hard word.
That the whole point for ecobomic wealth and influence.
But of course Your are just in “many”
You are here to Blah blah blah, irritate and not learn or share anything usefully, wandering Eurodazed, NATO loving irritant, pester and bug anyone who wants a more just world order, blah, blah blah blah blah blah U.S. awaesome, anyone not in the agree time, circle time, blah blah vlah. And blah blah blah Vlad the Impaler and Jens Holm is the love child of John McCain and Madeleine Albright. blah blah blah run along now, Mommy’s calling your boyfriends. So, there. Blah
You show Your level well. No facts are allowed even You come with totally wrong data Yourself as facts.
McCain was a very trustworthy person even You did not like him.
As written many times before, we should have a fence around Your quagmire and only let oil out for foood for fair prices. Ihave had that oppinion since the Sovjet invasion of Afghanistan.
The only change is higher walls and Turkey inclusive.
And I missed your error in junior high school civics. Or math. There are 435 members of the House of Representatives. And 100 Senators, 2 from each state. Simple civics lessons must be off there; strange regarding your extreme hypnotic love of all things Americana. Something is rotten in the state of codependent Denmark.
That was not the point. It was 33% jews running the whole business in USA. They do and are a little overreprsented because they educate and work hard.
Thats right. As usual constructed non sense.
Al Franken doesn’t even consider himself to be Jewish, let alone a citizen of Israel.
Thats right. They see themselves as Americans.
I see the same here. Many of our danish citicens are named Muhammed, Abdel and Aisha.
They are born here fx in 1970 and also have Grandchildren today. How should they be counted as foreign. Infortunatly we have a few ISIS joiners, but the rest are as a minimum 50% danes.
I see they are, as they feel and behave. Many are totally strangers, when they are on vacation visiting their elative living there, and want to come home. They are blamed having not the local dialict as well as girls dont run and jump as servants for under the command of the old ones there.
No,they are not. Fake.
The Europeans and Americans are sleep walking to their own destruction based on: MSM total misinformation; .absorption with trivia such as computer games, TV and online pornography and gambling; a declining State education system and an increasingly emotional response to everything. This is the perfect recipe for a tragedy of immense proportions. This is turning our precisely as the Rothschild’s cabal has planned it. See their wholly controlled magazine ‘The Economists Cover for 2019’ online – its midnight black with only the letters 2019 in white on the cover. It’s the first time in the Economists history it has had such a cover.
I dont see that at all.
As I had long ago deduced Jens, you live on some different planet! Clearly, I am not alone on these pages in coming to that conclusion either.
I see it too. And I don’t even understand his word usage and circular logic most of the time.
Thanks Ricky! I agree with you totally. I am of the firm belief that Jens is a low order CIA operative who comes on these pages to sew untruths, dissention and to perpetually snipe at posts even if he is blatantly wrong. Hence, because he’s an operator for an Agency, his logic does not make any sense.
He’s not alone. I see the invasion of these types as part of an information campaign along the lines of making RT register as a foreign agent. From their point of view too many Westerners see ill in the conduct of World Affairs and are way too sympathetic to Russia’s point of view, among others. Sending retired military officers or retired civil servants or even active cyber agents to comments boards is a plan to push their own narrative. It shows how terrified they are of being revealed and rejected.
Excellent comment and all true! Ricky watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGqi-k213eE
The journalist, Udo Ulfkotte, was a senior employee for a major German newspaper and was dying of cancer (and is now dead),. He wrote a best selling factual book on the immense and overarching penetration of all the German Mainsteam Media (MSM) by the CIA. The same is true for all European Mainstream Media especially the United Kingdom where the CIA has nearly 1,000 operatives. Esentially, the only thing one can believe from the Western MSM are the sports pages and maybe the weather forecast.
Thanks. I’m watching the video and will buy the book on my Kindle. I appreciate the tip.
Things about that is well descriebed in many books and videos. Buy the book. You can find a lot more here just asking.
Ricky delighted to be of help. If you want excellent new analysis every day, the following are first rate news sites:
X22 Report and X22 Spotlight Programs featuring world class commentators;
USA Watchdog
SGT Report
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My best regards
Until 1850 Geneva was a Walled Medieval City without space and room. When they destroyed the battlements and got space, among the first things they built was a Russian Church in 1864 It’s the Western Europe first existing Russian Church. It’s located on rue Francois Le Fort, a Geneva traditional Family. He was the Tsar best friend and funded the Russian Fleet.
For me Russia is an integral part of European Culture, separated by the UK/US Empire Ploy done to weaken Europe
The problem is the the opposite. Too much here is internal Mongo Jungo having so many having only thieir hairy naklen behinds to the rest of the world.
Thats how thins are. Internal t Pakkenstina and Arabistan constructed talk confirming each other not even learned to understand, what our world is madse by Your masters. And You eat it like sheep every time.
Allcomming from especiallay west is lie, but If You get some negative, WHICH HERE IS ALLLOWED, You take worse then Nah grew wine, so we all went into alcoholisme.
You are learned alcohol prdefinition is negative even You see our world in netto is improved by that. Thats how it is with this article is:You are manipulated to thats how we and the world is and are.
But we are not. I try to explain our world in Governess is advanced in thinking and by that act more advanced.
You don understand hardly any of our economics even You see the results very well. Your tax cover only a tiny part of,what ours does.
In Denmark we last Year payed 5 billion dollars in tax to help non productive arrivers and citicens to keep them in level with the rest of us. Even so I and we yesterday were blamed some 200 made by Your belowed Islam into ISIS were not jsiled or jailed enough.
Well, we make the ,money and also pay 100% for around 150.000 muslims, which after at least 10 years still are not able to have jobs.
I miss why they prefare with us among christians, infidels, sekulars FOR YOU. Why do they do it.
I miss You only metion Denmark for, what You dont undertsnd, that being as us is You are helped, but also have hard respensabilities.
So where are the 149.800 muslims we pay for every year ??? You also forget we as You then get a local opposition to emmigration at all and a left wing as an opposition to that.
Those are as many as ever. Before that the oppinion of their Grandparantd were against Jews. Now its about many more strangers just being muslims.
And we do our best to keep more for comming of the main kind, which we dont need. Syrians even educated are educated in a way, which dont fit in at all here.
Go away. Many people, myself included are tired of the NATO new world order crap. And if we want to hear the nonstop point of view of our government we need only turn on the television or radio, go to any MSM webpage and voila, we are bombarded with it. We come, or at least I do, to places like SouthFront because they present a view from the other sids, more aligned with Russian foreign policy and values. There is a coping mechanism in listeninh in and joininh the comments along with others searching for the same. Then you and your buddies come along, ruin it, rub the crappy diaper of NAtoWorld in our face with dozens of comments, hyperbole, and nonsensical whims. Seriously SouthFront, a paywall for comments please. And five markdowns on any three given posts should mean a thirty day suspension. Having a few comments each thread from NAtoworld and all things evil empire is fine, even thought provoking, but having an endless stream just takes away from the reason I come here in the first place. I’m simply not contributing any more resources without some moderating control on the invasion of voice of america propaganda.
CIA isn’t going to bother to troll a bunch of closed-minded Russian supremacists. If they were going to do anything to this site they’d go to the editorial staff. But they wouldn’t even bother with that b/c this is a tiny operation that struggles to get by on a $30,000 annual budget.
Actually respect the editors here, they obviously have some help b/c some of the work they do is pretty good quality and the budget they have is quite small (though maybe there is another source of funds than the public campaigns).
Most of the trolling here is done by the “regulars”, who troll anybody who isn’t part of the groupthink like junkyard dogs. In that way the comment level here is more like Breitbart or FreeBeacon, which are also super awful (though on the other side of the extremists here), they also try to drive away anyone who is even slightly outside their narrow band of political thought.
Thats right. They try to keep anybody non internal away and dont understand the good and bad sides about free speech.
Its listen and learn very much too. .
Baloney. I’m a Giants fan, baseball that is. The Giants big rival are the Dodgers. They hated one another when they both were in NYC in the first half of the twentieth century and the fanworld of each still can’t generally stand one another now that the Giants are in San Francisco and the Dodgers in Los Angeles. I go to Giants webpages to cheer with other Giants fans, follow along with the teams action, and see what people are saying about what the Giants need to do better. Now, the Giants have won three World Series in the past decade and the Dodgers, despite being really good year after year, have won none. Yet, I feel no need this postseason to go to Dodger webpages and taunt DodgerWorld with an endless stream of posts. Actually I do no posts. I don’t call out “Hey, Puig struck out again. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy!” Or, ” Dodgers wash out of the playoffs again. It’s blue in bluesville. Ha!” One, it would be rude. Two, baseball is supposed to be fun. How is taunting others on webpages created for them, fun? So, off I march to McCovey Chronicles or KNBR and be with Giants world. And Dodger fans don’t come into Giant pages and taunt either. In general, despite the animosity, we have digital respect and peace.
But here, when the stakes are a world where invading small countries and overthrowing their governments are the problem, and sites like this are meant to provide for people who have a problem with that sort of thing, you come. NATO people. You have no issue with violating the UN charter, or attacking small countries with limited means of defense, or antagonizing the two countries who stand in NATO’s way of total domination. But you do have a problem with everyday people, Westerner and other, who come to this webpage because they need relief from the propaganda world which cheerleads on the new age of Imperial violence and subjugation. And so like the masters you serve, you take something away from others. It’s arrogant. It’s controlling behavior. It’s so like…NATO and the American Wehrmacht.
That would be kind of Nice being some CIA agant as well.
I would allow me ro say, that if I was, I systematicly would be paid for making hidden logical sense.
So if true, people where You are, are stupid inthat way too believing this.
I have more then 40.000 comment here.
That’s 39,997 too many useless comments designed to make people miserable for wanting a news site and comments section free from Corporate Americanized news abuse. You are evidence that this site needs a paywall for the comments section with contributors only permitted into discussion. And five members marking a poster and he’s out for a month. I am bombarded here in the USA with media that cheer on the war pig machinery, villify Russia and engage in phobic hysterics regarding all things Moscow. It’s grating to come here and find…you.
I registrate cirkular manipulation, when I see it. Thats what it is.
You systematicly are kept in dark. Thats the whole point.
Fuck You. Go Away you piece of fucking shit.
Given all that has happened to Russia in the 20th from the combined west, may it not be more reasonable to simply refer to this period in history as Russia’s 100+ year war?
Beware bough and sold Proxies !,
Luckily thanks of their Junk-Food and Culture
71% Of Military Age Americans Too Sick To Join, Study Says https://www.naturalblaze.com/2018/03/71-percent-military-age-americans-too-sick-join.html
POSTED ON MARCH 2, 2018NATURAL HEALTH NEWS
71% of Military Age Americans Too Sick to Join, Study Says
By Brandon Turbeville, Natural Blaze
The United States is now facing a security crisis the likes of which it has never faced before. Although we are awaiting the attempts to blame it on them, it’s hard to see how the State Department or the corporate media can pin this on on the Russians.
According to a new study by the Heritage Foundation, nearly 71% of young U.S. citizens are ineligible to serve in the military. To be more specific, out of 34 million people, between the ages of 17 and 24, more than 24 million are unable to join the military. Sixty percent of those ineligible to join are ineligible due to health problems or physical fitness. Around one-third are too obese.
Indeed, 27% of young Americans are “too overweight for military service.”
“The obesity issue is the most troubling because the trend is going in the wrong direction…by 2020 it could be as high as 50%,” said Major General Allen Batschelet, former Commander of U.S. Army Recruiting Command “back in 2015, “which means only two in ten would qualify to join the Army.”
Other common health concerns are hearing and eyesight problems, asthma and mental illness.
The study also shows that a quarter of those unfit for military service, are due to intelligence factors and are unable to complete their high school education and lack a “basic understanding of written and cognitive skills…to complete an organized program.”
The research points out that these individuals are considered unfit despite the fact that the military routinely accepts people who do not complete their high school education and “rarely pass the armed forces qualification test.”
Another 10% were ineligible due to a criminal record.
The national security issue comes to play when one realizes that this stunning commentary on the intellectual, mental and physical health of the United States will lead to a very serious shortage of recruits for the military, meaning that the U.S. military will suffer from a lack of manpower.
All ready, the U.S. Army is having a hard time meeting its 2018 goal of enlisting 80,000 volunteers.
Army Major General Malcolm Frost, Commander of the Army’s Initial Military Training Command, publicly stated in 2017, that “I would argue that the next existential threat that we have… is the inability to man our military.”
One highly important point to mention, is that the southern states, who have traditionally supplied the military with the largest amount of recruits, are experiencing even more concerning health issues than their Northern and Western counterparts.
South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee and Texas are “significantly less fit, and consequently are more likely to encounter training related injuries and recruits from other U.S. states,” according to recent research conducted by the Citadel, the U.S. Army Public Health Center and the American Heart Association.
The southern states mentioned above make up more than 37% of new recruits.
Thus, Americans’ poor health, dropping IQ and mental instability have reached such a proportion that it is now a national security issue.
While there are many other factors at play in regards to national security and the ability to man the military, such as an expansive military presence across the world and a constant state of warfare – America must begin to make drastic changes in its food supply, healthcare and culture unless it wants to do to itself what no outside power is capable of doing.
But USA have clear advantage in transgender soldiers, I suppose 1000:1 compare with Russia :D
The Rothschild’s controlled Anglo – American Zionist Bankster – Corporatist Cabal is now desperate to engineer WW3 by any means possible. As they also control the Western Mainstream Media, which is essentially their propaganda organ, which is in controlled on their behalf by their global security organisation, the CIA; the broad mass of the Western electorate are totally brainwashed and misinformed. Unless Trump stops the Globalists and brings them down, then war with Russia and China is a certainty regardless of Putin’s so far briliant avoidance of all the traps the Cabal and their CIA and British SIS have laid for him. The longer he can stall a war the better for us all. Meanwhile Russia needs to advance their defences and advanced weapons to a ful state of readiness for war. Maximum protection against a CIA – British SIS cyberattack is considered No 1 priority for Russia.
Mèxico a threat? jajajajaja, our goverments are collaborators so the gringos has lost their minds, no matter who rules, our politicians are side by side with the potomac
10 000 zapatas for you
China and Russia are not significant threats. .. US is the significant threat to China and Russia. The other way round.
Never stop threatening about everyone .
ay, the false Jesus commentig here will you cricifie for such blasphemy! russia is better then usa, therefore usa can not be threat for russia :DDD
The war talk is probably all politically motivated, but if the psychos in government really want war, here is what they can expect: http://www.newsilkstrategies.com/military-affairs/if-us-psychopaths-really-want-war-this-is-what-to-expect
BS
during caold-war >90% bilieved in this shit and the war did not came :D
Well, what’s a large scale war? At any rate, these guys need to believe war is coming, thusly, they’re easier to manipulate (fear mongering). That’s exactly what SF does too… so more aggressive moves are welcomed by the conditioned audience. Go figure…
I’m sure Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, the Romney boys, the Bush Kids …… are all signing up.
American troops are mostly idiots, what they think or believe is irrelevant.
I guess they didn’t have the ‘nothing’ box on the list of worries then..
And here we go again. Gada Gung, Dim il Sung.
GEO politics 101. War must come, because some are refusing to submit.
1- “In the modern economy, most money takes the form of bank deposits. But how those bank deposits are created is often misunderstood: the principal way is through commercial banks making loans. Whenever a bank makes a loan, it simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money”
http://www.bankofengland.co… “
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2- “Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.”
Gilens, M., & Page, B. I. (2014). Testing theories of American politics: Elites, interest groups, and average citizens. Perspectives on Politics, 12(3), 564-581. DOI: 10.1017/S1537592714001595
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3 -“So no, it’s not a hyperbole to say the Banking System is One. We’re not overstating the case when we say it’s just one massive cartel. That the banks own everything, including all the major industries. Oil, Weapons, Pharmaceuticals, Food, Telecom and IT, etc. It’s all one massive monopoly. Controlled from the top down “ ’A total of 737 control 80% of it all” The Money Power is real and these Swiss gentlemen have done us a favor by crunching the numbers.”
Please Google “The network of global corporate control”
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4 “Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – One World, if you will.If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it ” | David Rockefeller |
( see trade deals removing soverignty,immigration, imperialism, and inequality as the effort “to build a more integrated global political and economic structure”)