On January 29, the first serial 5th generation multi-purpose stealth fighter jet Su-57 will be delivered to the Russian Aerospace Forces. The video above was filmed at the airfield of the State Flight Test Center of the Ministry of Defense in Akhtubinsk. In accordance with the signed contracts, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive at least 76 Su-57 fighter jets.
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But lacks the errant ejector seat feature of F35.
errant friggin ejector seat is important? or not?
F35 ejector seat when deployed could kill the pilot…..the same way F22 operation caused oxygen depravation of the pilot.
apart from new engines next year what I like about this jet the most is that they already working on the upgrades. like new avionics, radar and in general new 6th generation tech (are already in works) that will be tested on this jet and used as upgrade, after that.
Indeed. Some of the new upgrades include AI drone mode, cluster AA missiles and directed energy weapons.
and of course un-manned version and even better engines, sensors for some SU-65 the 5++ generation (just like it was the case for earlier (SU-27 to Su-35) 4++ development)
Like the SU-27 before – an excellent platform for multiple versions.
Mist excellent Comrades. CIA trolls and hasbarats will cry and rage ?
Wasn’t this supposed to have been delivered in late December last year?
a month late nothing much to whine about!
“NO-1” has crashed (on factory (producer) expense !! ) during 1st. testing of the jet (test pilot have ejected safely ). since than they have made deep reorganization in the production plant and some people have been removed from their positions….
Here’s a jet Iran would very much like to get involved with in co-production.
Russia sells “license production” of the jets, but not to everybody. India is one such customer. There is NO such thing as “co-production” option simply because : 1) Russia doesn’t need Iran to produce SU-57 2)Russia is not interested in “co-producing” = straight transfer of know how in any shape or form 3)There is no short cut to privilege to “license producing” 4)Iran is not customer of single 4th generation Sukhoi jet as MAIN precondition to negotiate “license production” for the right price. 4) Realistically speaking Iran maybe has money to pay for SU-30SM2 “license production” but not for SU-57″license production”
Let the Iranians buy some SU-30. Iran has proven quite capable of keeping and improving on the junk F14 they “inherited” from the Shah-regime – 30, 40 or 50 year old jets, that keeps flying (from a time when the $nakes knew how to build planes.
That’s exactly what I have said. If they want “license production” of SU-35 than they should buy at least some SU-30 first. Same goes for SU-57. Only after such jet purchase they can negotiate “license production”. Not before.
F14 was not junk it was as capable as F15, probably more maneuverable because of its variable geometry, or truly carried the true first BVR missile (Phoenix) in the late 70’s early eighties.
The problem with jets like the F14 is that their moves are very predictable in close combat since the wings informs the pilot of what to expect. F14 is very old and don’t have avionics for modern BVR that has developed a lot since the deliveries of Iranian F-14A.
F14 is a generation 4 aircraft, Iran developed Faquor air to air missile which is a reverse engineering of the original Phoenix, I am sure the avionics and the aircraft have been updated and are viable today against Saudi F-15 and Typhoon. If it was me, I would use the F14 for BVR engagement and the MiG 29 and F5 for WVR.
‘I am sure the avionics and the aircraft have been updated and are viable today against” Even Russia couldn’t upgrade all their own (older) SU-27 to SU-27SM3 standard. SU-27 is introduced 15 years after F-14 ! So how come Iran can upgrade those such old jets so “successfully” ?!?! You so “sure” based on what ?!?
Iran has around 40 F14, there are about 230 Suk 27 of various designations. Russia can continue upgrading the flanker platform by producing new aircraft, Iran does not. Since Iran developed the Faquor AAM with BVR capabilities, it requires improved radar and avionics on the aircraft it is launched from.
Are those F-14-a 50 years old?!? what would be the point of upgrading 50 years old jet?!? only if one doesn’t have other choice I suppose…
Because they got good airframes, and upgraded they are Gen 4+ aircraft. No need to spend money when you don’t have to.
that depends… even “good air-frames” in 50 years with regular, normal number flying hours are close to the end of service…with all “wear and tear” (while…for 4+ gen. I don’t know I’m not sure….. SU-30SM is 4+ generation and I would NEVER change it for that upgraded F-14)
Why don’t you advise the Iranians on the matter?
Sarcasm detected…I’m just stating common sense that max utility of aircraft is 50 years, doesn’t mater What you do ( unless you don’t fly those jets often and keep them for show only ) if you fly them ever day after 50 years they are dangerous to fly,…it’s fact.
“”” Are those F-14-a 50 years old?!?”””
So is F15, F15 EX is basically the same aircraft, the US Air Force is buying them along export variants being offered.
you are exaggerating deliberately?…why would they make upgrades if F-15 and F-15EX is “basically the same”?! It is the same design, but not the “same” jet.
What am I exaggerating? The F15 EX is a new aircraft with some minor modifications of the same F15 of 50 years ago. Are you trying to split hairs? I said Iran currently does not have the capacity to build a new platform, the hours of service on the aircraft are rather low.
So by that logic SU-35 is old basic SU-27 from 35 years ago, with “some minor modifications” also? I don’t care any longer think what you prefer.
Suk 27 was intended as a air superiority fighter initially wth an AL 31F engine, single seat, N0001E radar, Suk 30 is an air superiority and ground strike aircraft, heavier, with an AL 41 FP engine, two seater, 1320 kgs, with heavier radar, canards, able to deploy active radar homing missiles, the R-27AE and R-77.
F15 was upgraded several times, A, B, C, D, E the strike version with conformal fuel tanks, it was an air superiority and a ground attack aircraft, did not become F17 or F19 as upgrades were completed, the EX is being brought up as a missile depot, it can carry up to 22 air to air missiles to make up for lack of missiles carried by F35. Again, you are comparing apples with oranges.
Who said US Air Force are upgrading a couple of hundred F15’s to F15 EX? Compare apples to apples silly man and read what I say. I did not belittle you when you showed cluelessness about the armata gun the the vacuum round not fitting on a T90 turret.
“upgrading a couple of hundred F15’s” I didn’t say that ….there is something wrong in your head, you sound like person with issues…”vacuum round not fitting”?!? why would I give f***k about “vacuum rounds” not fitting or fitting fitting anywhere?!
Nothing is wrong with my head, read what I said, instead of taking what I say out of context …..so you look good.
I said the F15 EX is the same aircraft with some modifications as the F15 from 50 years ago…..it was you who claimed I was exaggerating claiming these were upgrades of 50 year old aircraft.
I’m tired of your bullshit comments good bye!
“”” vacuum round not fitting”?!? why would I give f***k about “vacuum rounds” not fitting or fitting fitting anywhere?!”””
Obviously you are clueless to what I posted you several times.
This appeared in militarywatch April 16 2020
While Iran is expected to make purchases of advanced Russian or Chinese fighters from October 2020, when a UN arms embargo on the country will expire, the F-14 is expected to remain in service alongside the newer aircraft. The size of the Iranian F-14 fleet has gradually expanded in recent years as new technologies, namely 3D printing, have allowed Iran to more easily manufacture parts for the aircraft domestically bringing more of them out of storage and into service. Providing some firsthand insight into the capabilities of Iran’s F-14s at both standoff and visual ranges, former pilot Major Farhad stated in an interview:
F-14s equipped with the AWG-9 pulse Doppler radar, the Iranian pilots could hit an enemy aircraft from 100 miles away, but the pilots also appreciated the airplane’s fighting abilities close in… The capability of the F-14A to snap around during the dogfight was unequalled… After only 100 hours of training, I learned to pitch the nose of my Tomcat up at a 75-degree [angle of attack] in just over a second, turn around, and acquire the opponent either with Sidewinders or the
The F-14A marketed to Iran is notably the least capable variant of the fighter, with the most capable variant the F-14D entering service in 1991 and widely considered the most capable aircraft of the Cold War in its air to air combat capabilities. The F-14D is more capable than the vast majority of Western fighters in service today, but was retired in 2006 due to its extremely high operational costs and maintenance requirements and its limited use in an air to ground role and for operations in the War on Terror. Retiring the platform has seriously compromised the ability of American carrier groups to control surrounding airspace, however. With American Tomcats retired Iran is the F-14’s only operator, and is able to circumvent the issue of high maintenance requirements due to its much lower labour costs and the low cost of manufacturing spare parts domestically. Although they are not thought to be as capable as the F-14D, Iran has heavily upgraded its F-14A to keep them viable – integrating new electronic warfare systems and sensors onto the aircraft with a reportedly revolutionary effect. The AIM-54 missile has also been replaced with the indigenous Fakour 90, which has a considerably longer range reportedly of around 300km and benefits from improved sensors and electronic warfare countermeasures. The new missile is heavily based on land closely resembles the AIM-54.
OK, interesting text thAnks !
you got no clue what you’re saying…..Go read Tom Coopers IRIAF F-14A units in the Iran Iraq war. You’d get a measure of what the F-14 was in combat.
IRIAF F-14A’s have a 100 air to air kills bro…….they are not junk! Even today 54 operational, out of 79 delivered!…….just as good as any Su-30 on the market.
Understood regarding licensing production but there is a strategic value in selling Iran Su-57’s even if Russia has to provide 0 interest loans. Iran always pays their debts and they only reason they wouldn’t pay cash up front is because of sanctions.
The more partnerships Russia builds around the world, joint ventures w/Cuba, Venezuela, China, Iran on energy projects and military sales, The more my country will go crazy running in circles and panicking over them. It will speed up our cash burn rate as we spend $1M per B52 flight that shows we are tough but proves nothing. Sounds unpatriotic but the faster we get a dose of reality without a war the better off we will all be. We have to go bankrupt.
I don’t know how you do it , but you are doing it right. You are very impartial when it comes to your own country and your conclusion is 100% accurate. Regarding licensing production, there are certain rules that apply to everybody. Iran can’t be exception to those rules. No country can have “license production” without at least being customer of some Sukhoi jets. Russia is also under the sanctions and COVID bullsh*t , thus cash strapped. There are some countries like Algeria, Vietnam, China, India even Myanmar (I think) that are interested buying of the shelf SU-57’s. Iran if interested is welcome too. Russia does loans for acquisitions also. Personally I do hope that India will change their mind and re-start 5th gen. “FGFA” program with Russia. In co-production of the export version of the 5th generation jet. Brahmos missile co-production was great success.
man, in case you didn’t know hendu showed Russia his black ass on the FGFA program. Don’t you know this? Russia need somebody to share the costs of this program now. Today on da news on Reuters, the F-15X cleared for export to hendu. We know where this is going bro…….
NOT TRUE! Russia didn’t want to sell 120+ Su-57 ( FGFA )for few billions and transfer all “know how” for FREE as bonus, for their “make in India” program! Russia insisted that transfer of “know how” for the 5th generation jets is not included in the price of the jets and that .. “know how” must be paid extra money for R and D!!! Of course India NEVER mentions that dispute about money and Indian PRO-Western lobby uses braking up of co-production contract to BADMOUTH SU-57 only!
India will BUY SU-57 (of the shelf) and that will be the best proof about quality of the jet India is extremely corrupt country …if they buy F-15EX that means corruption won again !!! They already have 300 heavy “air superiority” multi-role Russian fighters + “Super Sukhoi” upgrade to SU-35 (S-117, Irbis). They do not need any more those kind of jets – SPECIALLY NOT AMERICAN, because they have already Russian and French jets which would hugely complicates maintenance!!
Do not lecture about things you don’t know much. Thanks!
India is out of the FGFA program. Show me proof that they will buy off the shelf…….
Show me proof that they bought SINGLE US fighter jet (and they have been offered many times to do it!) There is NO “proof” that they will buy off the shelf, just declared open option as possible intention they will buy off the shelf !! OK I’ll find proves no problem!! and you find SINGLE US fighter jet they have bought from US in last 30 years (doesn’t have to be F-15)!
US is peddling hard the F18 for the Indian carrier group, and F15 EX, India needs to update the MiG 21 and Jaguar squadrons.
US is peddling hard the F18 yes! and they are even very close to get that contract! they complain on reliability and maintenance problems (maintenance which they do themselves!!) It is totally absurd because they’ll squeeze out MIG-29K they already have ( which THEY insisted to buy instead of SU-33 and for which THEY have paid lot $$$$ to develop naval model from MiG-29) Not to mention how much more will maintenance cost now and to train the pilots for the new U.S. jets….Fortune!!! But that is corrupt India. For that much money MiG would make those MiG-29K 4++++++++++ generation :))))))
Their MiG-23 are also goes out!!
India has purchased the Poseidon, the Apache, the Sea Hawk and the C-17’s and C-130J’s over the last decade or so. Both Boeing and L/M are bidding on the tender for the supply of the 126 combat aircraft requisition. Purchasing the F-18E/F or the F-15EX is not going to be a surprise at all, as a next step. You got that? Don’t get emotional on me.
SINGLE US fighter jet !!! you bigmouthed ignoramus !!! Poseidon, Apache, Sea Hawk,C-17′,C-130J Poseidon, the Apache, the Sea Hawk and the C-17’s and C-130J are NOT fighter jets ! “126 combat aircraft acquisition” is opened and closed several times already and that situation lasts for years already and it is not opened for US only!
how about buying “off the shelf’ Su-57“ did you get the message bigmouthed a$$hole?
Quit getting emotional. You know where this is headed. Hendu has shown Russian their black ass and you don’t like it as a cheechun. Don’t bullshit me. The hendu is poised to purchase western combat jets…….only a matter of time. You’d be a sorry ass lower caste colored man when that happens soon. Sorry that it happened would be your narrative. Get lost now. Negating $40 billion in US/ India arms sales, $26 billion in Franco/ Indo sales including another $20 billion in Israeli/ Indo arms sales…….joker.
f u c k o f f you moron I have proved you wrong in everything you have said so get lost!
Fuck you….stupid monkey…….go suck off your dad….lower caste monkey
Shia baboon
fuck you……cheechun monkey.
I tried to keep away from Russian sources ….articles are NON-Russian (India mostly) but also often NON-Western (because of anti-Russian propaganda bias (that you have also))
——— The possibly remains that India will purchase an initial batch of ‘off the shelf’ Su-57 jets from Russia to evaluate their capabilities – before entering into a contract for joint production. This would be consistent with its acquisition strategy for the Su-30 – as before joint manufacturing of the Su-30MKI India purchased and evaluated … https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/russia-reiterates-offer-of-joint-fgfa-as-an-alternative-to-off-the-shelf-su-57-purchases-for-india.661977/ —————————————- India is notably a leading potential client for the Su-57, and is strongly expected to place orders either for individual ‘off the shelf’ units or as part of a license production deal as it previously pursued with the MiG-21, MiG-27 and Su-30 jets. https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russia-holding-talks-with-export-client-for-tailor-made-twin-seat-su-57-fighter —————– Last year, India pulled out of Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) Program which it has planned to develop with Russia based on Su-57 aircraft but had promised that Su-57 will be reconsidered when it is ready for export as an off the shelf purchase in a government to government deal. http://idrw.org/russia-to-offer-sukhoi-su-57e-export-variant-to-india/ —————————— India Seriously Considering SU-57 Fighter Jets Experts talking to the EurAsian Times states that the possibility remains that India could seriously consider purchasing an initial batch of ‘off the shelf’ Su-57 jets from Russia to evaluate their capabilities – before entering into a contract for joint production. https://eurasiantimes.com/india-seriously-considering-su-57-fighter-jets-russian-experts/ ——————————- Among the nations that apparently expressed interest in the aircraft was India, which The EurAsian Times reported was “seriously considering exploring an initial batch of ‘off the shelf’ Su-57 jets from Russia to evaluate their capabilities – before entering into a contract for joint production.” https://www.19fortyfive.com/2021/01/su-57-why-russia-and-india-killed-their-joint-strike-fighter-deal/ ———————————- India Keeping An Eye On Su-57 Jets As Russia Displays Its Export Version At MAKS-2019 Air Show India has a requirement for 120-130 swing-role planes with stealth features for increased survivability, advanced avionics, smart weapons, top-end mission computers and 360-degree situational awareness. https://defenceupdate.in/india-keeping-an-eye-on-su-57-jets-as-russia-displays-its-export-version-at-maks-2019-air-show/ ———————————— India must pursue Su-57 https://indiandefenceindustries.in/node/53 ———————————— August 1, 2020 India has shown some interest in Russia’s Su-57 next-generation heavyweight fighter, although the aircraft is yet to enter service in the Russian Air Force. New Delhi is likely to wait and assess its performance before making any commitments. Experts stated that the possibility remains that India could seriously consider purchasing an initial batch of ‘off the shelf’ Su-57 jets from Russia to evaluate their capabilities – before entering into a contract for joint production. https://eurasiantimes.com/india-scrutinizing-russian-su-57-stealth-jets-as-makers-struggle-to-fulfill-orders/ —————-
This is text for YOU to understand that SU-57 is the ONLY OPTION for 5th generation jet ! F-35 is NOT COMPETITION since rejected by India !!!
Therefore, Military Watch said that Algeria’s purchase of fifth-generation fighter Su-57 has caused a considerable stir in India. Now, the Indian expert community notes that a paradoxical situation for the country is imminent: they have no orders for fifth-generation fighter jets from abroad (and can only put forth two such options for India: Russia or America). Critic comments aimed at the country’s leaders have appeared in the Indian press more often. “If the Algerian Air Force had an earlier fifth-generation Su-57 stealth fighter, that would be a lesson for our authorities,” said the Indian military expert. https://defenceview.in/russia-sells-the-su-57-more-expensive-than-the-f-35/
India was initially involved in the R & D expense for producing Suk 57, they withdrew from the program because of supposed shortcoming of the aircraft.
That doesn’t count, since they got their money back! “shortcoming of the aircraft” is India’s bollocks to save the face because the dispute was only about the money ! Western propaganda have jumped on occasion to blow India’s complaint out of proportion ! complaint was about: 1) Insufficient “stealth” 2)Engines (even though Indian i d i o t s knew already that new engines are in development wnd that they will receive jets with new engines!!!)
Dispute was about India WANTED for FREE R & D – ToT – know how of the 5th generation production! Only because they offered to buy 120+ SU-57 ! Russia has refused that immediately!
And what if Russians have produced jet with “900 DEFICIENCIES” like F-35 !??!?!! Western MSM is so full of sh*t !
They might have gotten some money back after viewing and estimating the prototype and the crash of another prototype. India will not buy Suk 57 to replace MiG 21 and Jaguar, they hav decided on the indigenous Teja, and possibly more Rafale.
I know that SU-57 is not replacement for MiG-21 but Tejas because Tejas is also light – single engine fighter jet like MiG-21. Rafale is something else….(maybe later on that) SU-57 is in its own category of the 5th generation jet that has role to compete directly with Chinese J-20 and Pakistani FC-31 (bought from China in the near future)
Should have painted it black and called it the Firefox… Some machine!
Why is the Su35 more expensive (and by a fair chunk) than the newer Su57 anybody know?
which SU-35 price are you talking about ? There is for example huge price difference for SU-35 sold to China and those sold to Russian air force. There are also package prices – simulators, training, missiles all in one (lower) price “Domestic” prices for Russian air force are lower and jets more performant because they always do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yySrcLlSmc
I have to ask, does this serial run have the Saturn or the more powerful Izdelie engines?
S-117 it is regular SU-35 engine= “1st stage engine”(super-cruise but less performante) “Izdeliye30″= “article30″ starts production next year=”2nd stage engine” 1st batch of SU-57 (12 jets) is with S-117 engines, next batch (all other) is with 2nd stage engine. They need these jets for training and testing new weapons like “mini” Kinzhal (inside weapons bay). They will replace these engines anyhow eventually.
Excellent BVR and WVR capabilities, aerodynamically better than F22 with better weapons K77 AA Missiles, R 37 long range E 3 AWAC and tanker killer, lasers, khibiny ECM to disrupt situational awareness of the F22 and oncoming missiles; carries more missiles and an assortment of other weapons internally. Good possibility of a naval version that would carry a miniaturized version of Khinzhal internally.
A very interesting aircraft. As all stealthy aircraft’s it only limited by the payload it can carry internally and they all want to be able to carry more. Russia do miss something equal to GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb and i do think next gen aircraft should be able to carry something like it that can act in smart clusters. It will be interesting to find out more about it avionics capabilities since it do have very interesting avionics.
The interesting thing about the Su-57 is the overall design brief – as you state it is ‘stealthy’ – but the Su-57 does not prioritize stealth at the total cost of all other performance parameters, ie low radar signature is part of design, but not the absolute fixation of the design brief. It has flexibility for more traditional military aviation roles as well. This approach is in keeping with basic Russian military doctrine, and the intended doctrinal role of aircraft. In contrast, total stealth priority, over all other aviation parameters, certainly creates a threatening and purpose specific aircraft, but the design costs in this approach are deeply compromising to the most basic principles of aviation. As it invariably results in a relatively unstable and poorly maneuverable aircraft, as sharply intersecting angles and stubby wings make for very poor dynamic flows, requiring huge computing power to constantly maintain flight stability, and of course, huge hours of rotational maintenance. That is why the Su-57 is its own thing, it’s stealthy but based around Russian design priorities and not an attempt to emulate existing US stealth designs.
Making of SU-57 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0ykwDn9Tcs&feature=emb_logo
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Ryan if I up-vote that,…. I’ll be labeled pedophile :)
you may want to learn the difference between tasteful art and deranged art.
your “tasteful art” is getting close to other one ;)
well if you want to view that drawing as such that’s your own mental dilemma. :)