Trump: US Will Withdraw From Syria “Very Soon”

Lol. Here is a bit from 60 Minutes….

Scott Pelley: I was in your office, all the magazines on your desk– Donald Trump: Well, I have a lot of covers. Scott Pelley: –are covers of you. Scott Pelley: All the pictures on the wall are pictures of you. Donald Trump: –well, it’s cheaper than wallpaper. Scott Pelley: What are we supposed to take from that? Donald Trump: You know, look, I’m on a lot of covers. I think maybe more than almost any supermodel. I think more than any supermodel.

Israel had a few converted Boeing 707s with refueling booms for at least a couple of decades, Joe. I suppose it was all secret at one time, but even the IAF brags about its ancient, POS KC-707 Re’em tankers now in their Desert Giants 120th Squadron. They have nowhere near the refueling capability of a KC-10 as far as tankers go, but still plenty for supporting fighter/bomber sorties to Iran. Not that the fake F-35 story is real at all, just saying they do have the refueling capability for it.

I just vaguely remember that Boeing wouldn’t sell them our refueling booms, and they had a hell of a time designing one of their own. And the 707 (in general) sucks as a tanker for a whole host of reasons. Maybe it will take out a few IAF F-35s for humanity.

I’m also also guessing the Saudis no longer have a problem letting the IAF transit KSA airspace now to mess with Iran, but the Saudi government probably still keeps that secret. Can’t have the head-choppers rioting in downtown Riyadh. The entire kingdom would fall in a day if the average Saudi knew the extent of the ass-grabbing going on now between Israeli leaders and the al Sauds. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for a leak exposing them (Hey Qatar, that’s your cue you evil fucks…)

wanklord , he is hasbara troll who got tasked into spreading the silly propaganda of overrated f35 penetrating iran airspace.

whats the point of penetrating undetected and then boasting on media as if they are a superb military ? it is the same old propaganda designed to make israeli military a poweful force.. the lame propaganda that been disproven during israeli defeat in 2006

He/she/it doesn’t seem to want to stick around to defend his propagnada. Maybe he/she/it has just started on the trolling path. Fur is no match against a thick skin.

Remember Hasbara Technique 101 , plant some ridiculous comment and watch people got distracted into trying to correct the hasbara troll..

thus his mission accomplished , distracting the discusion from the topic at hand.

only the most ignorant……………… now you spoke of 99% of western population. That is a lot of believers, dont you think so?

It’s been a widely known fact that most american are totally ignorant on real world issues and prefer to believe their govt propaganda instead of using their brain thinking ability.

99% is correct , as a minimum baseline , of ignorant people in western civilization..

hahaha.. ur right..! it’s just another dog we have here..!

actually he is just an ordinary israeli jew who worked for a living in government astroturfer / internet brigade spreading their own version / narrative and disrupting sites that reported truth and fact.

that he work by lying everyday without remorse is his people’s forte and inherent skill , after all lying is their business for thousands of years.

Nobody remember Nero. Everybody remember Caesar and not for what he acheived but rather because of how he died. Nobody will remember Trump. Those whose believed in him will hate him because he is a liar and those who hated him will keep hated him. Game over.

Really. Let that sink in. Then ask my 8 year old daughter, even she knows about Nero. Trump is the sort of guy who will do the most outrageous thing only to be remembered and he won’t even blink an eyelid if that means 20 Million dead people. For now he has been testing peoples reactions only.

Your daughter went to school. That’s why she learned about useless Nero that she will forget in one year and two years. Trump is testing nothing. Trump is only a toy.

I see no sign of doubling down. There’s been no support to anti government forces. He’s thrashed ISIS. Now he’s talking about leaving.

Yes, He is “farming out” the aggression against Syria’s people and government. Now Turkey, Israel and KSA will take the reins while Washington pours armaments into their war machines. You seem comfortable with that.

That’s what was happening under Obama. Now the Saudis are bogged down committing atrocities in Yemen, Turkey is attacking America’s Kurdish proxies and Israel is flaying about without a plan or way forward. The Syrian government is sweeping up the remaining resistance.

Washington has abandoned the Kurds, as I’ve predicted for years. Glad you’re optimistic about the way forward. I’m more cynical. I don’t see KSA or Israel dropping their support of terrorists. The Turks may be the biggest threat of all. Erdogan intends to partition Syria. His lies about not having revanchist ambitions are just lies.

Yes, the abandonment of the Kurds has been the only certainty though the whole of the war in Syria and Iraq. They never had any real international allies.

In terms of Turkey, their behaviour has consistently suprised me. Is it all just a long term vendetta against the Kurds? Does Erdogan real see himself as a new Ottoman caliph? My current thinking is that Turkey’s land grabs are mostly about gaining bargaining chips in the peace negotiations. They they will offer to hand back the land in exchange for the Assad letting them pick some of his government ministers and having a say on the new Syrian Constitution.

Except the neo-Ottoman revanchism is not limited to Syria. His sabre rattling and outright aggression extend from Iraq to the Aegean to Cyprus. Not to mention his threats against EU and downing of Russian SU-24. I believe that Sultan Erdogan is just a typical bully. He is not facing any pushback to his threats and aggression, only appeasement and piteous whining. That will work as well with him as it did with /dolf, ISIS or Qaida.

The Sultan’s battle lust is only matched by his paranoia. The engineered faux coup is just the sort of tactic that /dolf would use and understand. The Sultan has a rather impressive war machine and has painted himself into a “Use it or lose it” corner. Backing down now would mean electoral defeat and/or a real coup.

Maybe you are right. I might be wrong. We will soon see!

As a Brit, I agree. We have been evil.

Our supposed governments certainly have.

Yes. The buck stops with the sick individuals that instigate the evil. Not the people that have no say.

You mean the people who have more rights, democracy and civil liberties than any other peoples on the planet – the people who NEVER raise a voice in protest – not once – not ever?

You mean those people?

1 million march on London before the invasion of Iraq. Rights are being stripped away from Brits and have been since the 80’s. Go to court for not paying tribute to the bbc and see how civil liberties truly operates. There are cameras everywhere and our democracy doesn’t work too well, as experienced by those who marched on London and the millions of supporters at home who could not go because of other commitments.

“1 million march on London before the invasion of Iraq.” ————– Yes. So we know they can do it – BUT THEY DON’T. Yes. Their rights are being “stripped away” – and what are they doing about it? …. Going with the flow.

So don’t tell me: “It’s the gubmint, “not The People.”

We DO protest. 99% of the time there is a MEDIA BLACKOUT. Do not talk about what you don’t have a clue about.

Media blackout of your protests against illegal wars and drone-bombs? Really?

Have you heard of RT and Sputnik? ————- I don’t care about your rights and your values – that’s your problem – but I do care about your wanton murder of civilians in foreign countries and your destroying whole nations for not subscribing to your phucking amoral values!

You are obviously tied to an idea and happy with it. Keep it.

I’d love to be wrong – prove me wrong.

Your mind’s made up. It is not possible to prove you wrong. What happens in the name of Britain and America et al. is disgusting. You have every right to be disgusted in us. In your world there are no individuals, we all mass together as the Borg. Incidentally, do you have a clue how many Asian’s live here? How many Polish or Chinese? You don’t care how many of us support BDS because we are Western. We are not on this forum to oppose our countries, it’s just something to pass the time before we decide to invade NK or Iran.

…it’s just something to pass the time before we decide to invade NK or Iran. ———– Yeah. And you will. Unless someone stops you – you will. And again, you won’t even protest it.

P1ss off, you are irritating me.

What – are you a child? It’s way past your bedtime?

You nailed it in “It’s way past your bedtime?” …..but I am old.

2nd childhood huh? Nevermind – it only goes down from there….

OH gee, thanks.

LOL ….. :-))

“I don’t care about your rights and your values” – Fine, so don’t butt in and criticise, sort your own sh1t hole out first.

Way to go Al. Actually I have seen other posts from her that are reasonable. If she is just premenstrual it is understandable.

Does the possible state of my hormones make it okay for you to bomb civilians in faraway countries that never ever harmed you or your country?

You say “it’s understandable” – so explain it to me.

Your right are your business – just like Syrians rights are Syrian business and my rights are my business. British rights are British business, American rights are Americans’ business and so on for every nation on the planet.

Attempts to interfere in other nations because you don’t approve of their rights is spurious political opportunism disguised as caring. It’s a lie. You care about Syrian rights but not Yemeni. You care about Syrians dying but not Somali. You never care about Congolese or Myanmar, Bangladeshi or Tibetans. It’s a game of political, resource raping, and strategic influence interest.

And I see you have NOTHING to say about your role in the destruction of nations.

Are you insane ?, are you stupid ?……. Read my bloody comments and you will see that I am saying the same thing, over and over again.

Good! They why are you disagreeing with me?

That’s the whole point. We are not disagreeing with you but you want to attack us anyway. You know nothing about us yet you accuse us of agreeing with what is wrong in this world. You do that because you are a racist. A South African racist drowning in Apartheid.

See. Anyone can attack a person for any stupid reason they want. Please. Grow up.

“A South African racist drowning in Apartheid.” ————- Aaah yeah – I’ve just seen those good ol’ days being played out on the Al Jazeera news screen. Sure brings back the memories. WHAT a bunch of scumbags we were….. we changed – so can you. (So can Israel.)

Do what we did – OBJECT – PROTEST what’s done in your name. Else accept the accolades that come with silence and acquiescence. Because then – you deserve them.

“WHAT a bunch of scumbags we were….. we changed” Some of you did. With an awful lot of outside help. Infact without Britain, the chances are you would not have changed. I would go as far as to say You never changed. Just look at how racist you are being with us.

mmm, oh, that’s a difficult one ?.

Would a humble apology work ?

:-) Sure.

Well said, I forgot that point.

You are correct to a point Shahna, however, when was the last time you saw over a million people marching on streets anywhere in the world over the past 20 years? One million was a conservative figure given by the bbc. So there were obviously over a million people in London. If you are in doubt as to what eventually happens when gov’t keep ignoring their people, go and take a look on youtube at the Poll Tax riots and others in London, Liverpool and numerous other places.

The Brits are well renowned for their reserve and this tends to give others a false impression at times, even their gov’t gets it wrong, and so do the polls, as with Brexit. Those who are quiet at present are so because they are too busy busting their balls making a living. The bus will only tilt so far.

These are no more million man protests – there isn’t even ONE SMALL ONE about their destruction of whole nations!

And puhleeze – if the “reserved” British cared enough to protest the war on Iraq, the education hikes and the Grenfell fire then they would protest their illegal wars, invasions and dronebombs – if they cared. They don’t.

Everyone has it hard chum – and none have it harder than the people trying to live under your bombs.

Please girl. Give it a rest. Do some research and then come back.

Why? You don’t like having it pointed out to you that the people of the western so-called civilised nations have no objection to the murder they do every single day for 16 years now? And because you have no answer and no justification for what you do? Nevermind the lies and spin that now reaches beyond the clouds of sublime you swallow and expect us to as well?

You may rest when you STOP KILLING PEOPLE and you STOP DESTROYING COUNTRIES. That simple.

I’ll tell you then, it is not the f00king people. Unless we can get arms, we are impotent into doing anything. We do NOT go with the flow, we campaign, criticise and ha an army to go, but with what – PITCHFORKS ?

Funny you mention the march Peter, I stated it as well a few minutes ago on another post. The difference in beliefs and behaviour between the politicians and the people has never been further apart in the 35 years I have followed politics.

DO you remember the farmers marching about the ban on things like fox hunting in he Countryside march ? – http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2274129.stm …….the BBC says 400,000 but it as counted as close to a million – THE POLICE ABSOLUTELY BATTER THEM TO CRAP INCLUDING MY UNCLE.

We need a revolution, it really is that simply.

PS – I put the BBC link in, not to irritate you, but it was the first on the list.

You mean those people? Yes, it is..! That’s how I understand it in plain cynical (sarcastic) English..!

Agree 100 procent

:-)

Governments are guilty, not the peoples governed by them my friend, so it does not really matter what nationality, whether British, American, or German, Russian … et cetera

A hundred times no. The rest of the world is sick and tired of being lectured about “values” and “democracy”. If the claim to live in a democracy has any meaning, then voters can also be held responsible. Tony Blair betrayed the British people in 2003–these things can happen, psychopaths can be notoriously charming. Tony Blair was subsequently re-elected, now British voters have a good beating coming–which they got of course with the London bombings etc.

I’ve completely had it with the “boohoohoo, why do they hate us so much”. Give me a break, things will get better when your own behavior improves. Until then, you’re fair game. Western populations need to look inside themselves, only there can the answer to their own bloodthirst be found. They look with suspicion at Japan, with its latent nostalgia for the Hirohito Empire, but westerners aren’t much different with their own longing for colonial glory.

You’re right, the level of hipocrisy in europeans is outrageous, they talk and talk and talk about human rights, France for instance, they lecture the world non’stop with their humanist bullshit, but when it comes to bomb Libia into oblivion they are the first to jump on NATO bandwagon, and their population does nothing.

Screw the west, they deserve everything bad that is going to happen to them.

Yes as much as Americans proclaim their innocence, if a President doesn’t invade a country, he doesn’t get a second term, but if he does invade a country, and kills a lot of people he gets reelected.

Actually Westerners do not get to long for their colonial glory, because if they did social justice warriors would be coming down on them like a pile of ten ton bricks. In fact these cucks are doing their utmost to tear down any sign of that colonial glory and use it to make us feel guilty so we invite in more brown immigrants.

Overall Westerners have been made to feel ashamed of their colonial past at every opportunity, just like Germans have been made to feel ashamed of their Nazi past. In stark contrast to the Japanese who have never shown much regret at all for their crimes during the Hirohito empire. A past my own family got to enjoy first hand when the Japanese invade the Dutch East Indies

Democracy, oligarchy, autocracy, communism, dictatorship, theocracy, it’s all the same anyway. They are just means by which a ruling elite justifies itself. Democracy just gives the public the illusion that their votes actually matters. Which considering the growing distrust in Western democracies between the public and politicians shows that more and more people are coming to the conclusion that its pointless to vote as politicians are going to do whatever the fuck they want too regardless of their vote. In the Netherlands we had an advising referendum against the EU treaty with the Ukraine, it came anyway. We had a referendum against a government plan to give the security services wide ranging powers to spy on us, the politicians have already said they will ignore the outcome anyway. And made sure it will be the last referendum we can hold as they removed that tool from law.

In a system with proportional representation your vote matters little because the system produces an outcome that means that political parties enter into coaltion with other parties, so the negotiated outcomes can and usually run counter to what you have voted for. In the American and British system of first past the post a party can reach a majority to push through its agenda without opposition, but it comes at the price that it was only the biggest minority which voted for them. In the UK no government has ever ruled while getting a majority of the votes. Even a Tony Blair or Margeret Thatcher at best only achieved some 40% of the votes.

The most annoying thing about the Russia-friendly press is when it calls the Empire “stupid”. The traditional thing empires do is to lock away leftist-antiwar opposition in camps. The AZ Empire instead has opted to make the opposition irrelevant by directing it into SJW’ism, with disjointed factions squabbling about language and gender and all that. So no you can’t openly refer positively to the colonial past, but so what? From Sarkozy to Macron, French presidents still look to get a poll boost by marching off to the old colonial playgrounds, mumbling some humanitarian BS. The SJW movement is either fully on board or has nothing meaningful to say about all this–remember, it’s *meant* to be toothless.

I’m broadly familiar with the Dutch situation. They should have deposed their government when it wiped its arse with the “no” to the Lisbon Treaty, opening the door to an unelected EU superstate–that’s when you saw the lights go out right in front of your eyes. Of course, that’d have meant actually doing something, which is never the intention. It’s been the same story since: the Dutch voted down Ukraine association, PM Rutte predictably used that as toilet paper too, and then this gidsland-in-its-own-mind cheerfully re-elects that war criminal anyway. See, there was never any determination for their “no” vote to have any consequences–modern liberalism is only concerned with feeling good about yourself.

Surprisingly good insights. I too have contemplated that the whole SJW activism gets too much of a free pass from successive rightwing governments, despite being ideological opposits. And that the only plausible answer to that must be that they are useful idiots who distract from the real issues.

Rubbish. The people of those countries give their loud or tacit approval. That’s how it works : No protest = OK, go ahead.

Protests obviously mean a lot to your government? You sound incredibly racist. Where are you. Occupied Palestine?

Our so-called western leader nations have populations that protest at the drop of a hat: look at the US, UK and France. The people of these countries do NOT protest their active involvement in illegal aggressive invasions and wars against sovereign nations, their illegal occupations of sovereign nations and illegal drone bombing of civilians in 7 or 8 other sovereign countries.

Everything else under the sun – but not that. Ergo you approve – or worse – just don’t care. So don’t tell me “It’s not the people.” It is the people – you are tacit murderers to your state crimelords.

The US is the main culprit – the rest are spineless patsies or opportunistic poodles. (Take your pick.) •You all have civil liberties other people can only dream of. •And you all have VOLUNTEER armies.

I am South African – so don’t think to lecture me on racism.

Thank you so much for helping me realise what I am. Without you I would never have known. You however talk total crap, so taking your comments on board is a bit iffy. I am someone you have no clue about yet you decide what I think and do? I have never heard of an SA fascist pig before but you really are. And you dare to talk about racism? Racist.!!!

So now decrying your acquiescence to your daily bomb runs is racism? No end to western political spin and nothing too ridiculous for it either!

I have fortunately never met a racist like you before. You decide what I think and do like no human has the right to do. I personally have no bomb runs and your suggestions that I do do is rather sick. Is that what you really want to be in life?

You personally don’t drop bombs but you collectively do not protest your govt doing so. Never. Not ever. Not even one little one. And on top of that I’m supposed to buy this shìte “It’s the gubmint – not the people.” Wrong. You the people are the govt. Your govt rules only with your collective permission.

You have the RIGHT to protest – if you want to know what that means then ask the people of Bahrain.

So..?! What the hell are you waiting for..? You just need to bring it down.. Get rid off those scum traitor b4 it’s too late..!

It does not matter which country..? Those are the countries that trained, supports and armed those wahbabi.. as a matter of fact.. those countries created them.. with all sorts of brands.. hehehe.. You blows alciada in Afghanistan but supports them in Suria.. hehehe Anglo-Saxon.. what can one expect..!? Robbers, looters, murderers.. and so on..!

What I always state.

You do realise you are talking about the nation that has an army of more than 2 million – all volunteer?

I’m not going to give you a one liner. As this is my last response for a few days due to an emergency, feel free to explore this topic with me when I return to these pages, that is if you’re actually willing to discuss the pros and cons.

The pros and cons of what? Dropping bombs on civilians and destroying whole nations to keep the populace in the style to which it has become accustomed?

Governments OF the people, FOR the people and BY the people? Those people are not responsible? Those people whose humanitarian bombs are bringing that same democracy to the poor benighted oppressed-and-bombed-by-their-own-govt people of Syria? Who brought it to Libya? And Iraq? And are still bringing it to Afghanistan? Then who is?

“Govts are guilty, not the people governed,” is true for the people of say… North Korea and Saudi Arabia, but not for the people of democracies. What do you think democracy is? Just a vote?

Well, it’s more than that. Way more. It’s also the responsibility that comes with that vote. You want the vote – but not the result.

Our little puppy dog Prime Minister has also shamed our nation (Australia) by his secret involvement. I might add that our media has been appalling too.They are either liars or extremely ignorant of the geopolitics behind this fake invasion of Western paid militants.

The people of Australia, like those of the people of the UK, New Zealand, Canada and the US (the Five Eyes), don’t really ever get the opportunity to be represented by their corrupt governments, because they are all controlled by the unelected members of the Deep State of the US. One other thing, to expect truth from the compliant corporate owned propaganda media of the Five Eyes is to believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

I empathize with you, I also live on a territory of the Five Eyes and the constant 24/7 bombardment of BS is brain numbing.

BUT. They can still go out on the streets and protest. But they don’t.

check out my other response to you.

Only the Rojava representative says France is going to help. I wouldn’t say it’s reliable. I don’t see France sending troops, we are decreasing financial support to operations abroad (opex) and we are already involved in Mali where we have great economic interests. We had influence on Syria and Liban before, maybe siding with kurds against the expensionism of tukey is the only move possible to recover some as we can’t work with Assad because he’s viewed as evil, we can’t seriously change our position about him within a day. I’ve read Turkey and France had agreed in 2011 to create an independant kurdistan with access to the sea, I wonder how it has evolved.

where we have great economic interests…. lol..! It’s economic extortions my friend, where most of ex colonies are still paying extortions money to French government till now..! As if they (the colonies..) doesn’t pays or agreed The mighty faggot French will destroy every infrastructures they built b4 leaving that country with their f****ng arses behind their balls (if they had one.. lol..) Just learn and look back into ur barbarian histories..!

Probably would have worked if Russia did not intervene. Yes, I read Turkey went to France and formed a plan, to slaughter all the Christians and other outsider groups. Shocking , how little life is worth, to those thinking they are Gods. Just how many of these heartless bastards rule parts of the world ? Their the race that needs extermination, so the rest of us could live in peace.

Would we? Would we live in peace? Or would our wars just be smaller and closer to home? ….Would certainly be better.

“we are already involved in Mali” ————- Yes. Western eyes are finding the ME more trouble than they expected and they are now turning those greedy eyes to African resources. Not long now and you’ll be invading, occupying and drone bombing us all the way to Cape Town too.

Do you even know how may countries in Africa you drop drone-bombs on at the moment? Why don’t you know? Ignorance is preferred? And don’t tell me “France doesn’t drone bomb” because NATO does and France is NATO.

You should share your informations, care to link a report about France drone bombing? We only have 3 operational US reapers drones in Niamey since 2015 for the Barkhane operation in Sahel, difficult to bomb many countries with that. We use fighters to bomb targets and it’s not something we can do without hearing news about it on this site and about all medias in the world. France isn’t like othel NATO countries, we are the only one without any US base, we withdrew from integrated military command in the 60s and only came back 10 years ago with Sarkozy. We are the less NATO friendly country in NATO, also remember we vetoed the invasion of Irak wich was the beginning of all the mess we can see now. France is the least “western” country in the West but it’s difficult to get our voice heard in the EU, even our pro EU president is ignored.

And what do REAPER DRONES drop? …. Leaflets? Why are you BOMBING CIVILIANS in northern Africa anyway?? Or are you going to tell me you’re fighting the terrorists you and your American/UK allies create, arm and support to cause unrest to build your excuse to go bomb and drone bomb civilians in Africa?

“France isn’t like other NATO countries” Whine Whine BooHoo! Bullshìt! You murder with the best of them! While you protest about labour reform but never about your illegal warfare.

And hey look whose troops are ILLEGALLY in northern Syria now too!

I’m french, I read french thanksfully, Marianne say no troops.

So at 2300 hours, Macron changed his mind….. Why didn’t you just cite the relevant block in the report and translate it. Will he change his mind again when commanded to by the Empire?

France is decreasing funding of the military, the previous chief of staff resigned because of this.

Sounds good….. too bad the US doesn’t do the same.

I must add it’s only for the current year, the budget wil be increased regulary in the coming years to change our old stuff (some 40 years old), new ground vehicules, studies for new submarines and aircraft carrier. But for now we don’t have the money for military operations abroad.